JPPT1974 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 But what is against him and that of Hall of Fame there in politics, is that he has no Super Bowl Ring. And that could be against him sadly but truthfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLExpert49 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, theuntouchable said: so ..... everybody gets that coverage? Well no. Those were truly bizarre moments and do speak to Johnson's dominance. Double man is virtually nonexistent in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theuntouchable Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, NFLExpert49 said: Well no. Those were truly bizarre moments and do speak to Johnson's dominance. Double man is virtually nonexistent in the NFL. For the record I agree with your overall point. That is a term that’s thrown around far more often than it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 On 4/9/2019 at 5:57 PM, theuntouchable said: Name me all these players that were consistently productive for a longer period of time that are more deserving. I’ll wait. Hes like Julio Jones who wont have as long of as a career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 13 hours ago, theuntouchable said: ........ in like 70 less games. That's Calvin Johnson's problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theuntouchable Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, showtime said: That's Calvin Johnson's problem. So the fact that he was much more productive on average is a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, theuntouchable said: So the fact that he was much more productive on average is a problem? The fact that he is like 30th in yards is his problem. Remember what the topic is saying - Calvin Johnson is a first ballot hall of famer. He doesn't have first ballot numbers at the receiver position (Look at Rice and Moss, for example). And that's his problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theuntouchable Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, showtime said: The fact that he is like 30th in yards is his problem. Remember what the topic is saying - Calvin Johnson is a first ballot hall of famer. He doesn't have first ballot numbers at the receiver position (Look at Rice and Moss, for example). And that's his problem. Sure, but at the same time he broke a few records and was consistently elite for quite a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Just now, theuntouchable said: Sure, but at the same time he broke a few records and was consistently elite for quite a while. Yes. He'll be a hall of famer. He's not just a first ballot hall of famer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theuntouchable Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Just now, showtime said: Yes. He'll be a hall of famer. He's not just a first ballot hall of famer. I think people will look back and remember the time dez Bryant tried to call him out and he put up a 300 burger on the cowboys. Or the time he caught a game winner against Chicago yet the dumbest rule for a catch was created off that play and they said no TD. Theyll remember his first playoff game going against the Saints. The saints threw the kitchen sink at him and he went 200+ and 2 TDs. the play against Cincinnati that Stafford threw up a prayer to Megatron. And the cowboys. Theyll remember Megatron for the numerous circus catches he had and the catching radius of a garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 And they will remember that he was never on a good team, always played hard, and was a consummate professional through and through Football takes a physical toll on your body, it's becoming more and more common for guys to retire early. I think the stigma in doing so is disappearing for that reason. He's a no doubt HOFer. Who cares if it's on the first ballot or not? Patrick Willis is a first ballot HOFer in my book, and he's in the same boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footbull3196 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Chiefer said: So now youre docking him for being too good? No, I’m docking him for having a quarterback that was dependent on forcing the ball to him repeatedly. He obviously deserves credit for earning those targets and making good on a nice percentage of them, but early in his career, Stafford looked for him at an unhealthy rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, footbull3196 said: No, I’m docking him for having a quarterback that was dependent on forcing the ball to him repeatedly. He obviously deserves credit for earning those targets and making good on a nice percentage of them, but early in his career, Stafford looked for him at an unhealthy rate .... because he was such an unstoppable weapon You're point is well made, but that says more about Stat Padford than it does about CJ. The guy made plays consistently, hard to use that as a negative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 30th in yards minus HOFers, not yet eligible for HOF (when Calvin is up for the first time) and minus TEs is a list of Isaac Bruce, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, Andre Johnson, Anquan Boldin, Henry Ellard, Torry Holt, Irving Fryar, Brandon Marshall, Jimmy Smith and Hines Ward. On that list I think there is a number of them Calvin would go in before, but I'm not sure he leap frogs all of them. Torry Holt + Isaac Bruce I feel like would be a good group to join Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk (and the big man at LT) and would be a nice pair to go in together. Not sure if that would happen whenever Calvin is up for the first time, but I think if it were it would take priority. I think Andre Johnson might get in before Calvin for being on an expansion team and prior to JJ Watt being the face of that franchise (not that Calvin wasn't, but Barry Sanders is the face of the Lions). Jimmy Smith and Anquan are waiters I think that eventually probably get in. Steve Smith and Reggie Wayne will be legit challengers to who goes in first compared to Calvin. Henry Ellard may get in with the Rams moving back to LA entering as a legit candidate of the LA Rams now that they are back and for years the prior generation of great WRs have been a little overlooked aside from Tim Brown. Not sure he is 1st ballot, but he is sure fire. If he is still in the running when Julio Jones retires I think he might have an even longer wait as Larry Fitz is higher priority, and then Julio is a superior candidate (as well as what I mentioned earlier) as would potentially be Antonio Brown, but he may wait if his reputation becomes TO-y. Mike Evans could very well end up with better numbers than Megatron as well. I think if the Hall really wants Calvin they might push him through early so his competition doesn't force him to the outside looking in for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bad Example Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 hours ago, theuntouchable said: so ..... everybody gets that coverage? Sure, you cover all the receivers like that and pass rush one guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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