Criminal Minds Mafia - Town Wins

[Raves]

Just now, bcb1213 said:

I think I'm just gonna skip this whole swag Orca argument 

Good call.

[bcb1213]

Just now, Raves said:

Good call.

Yea I reading two or three posts of it then I went. This seems like a black hole of irrelevance about to start 

[SwAg]

Honestly, probably lynch Orca if he’s going to be a liability at best.  He basically claimed non-Team and Vanilla.  Demonstrated by the choice the selfless act to save Pickle because he’s more valuable, and later explicit statements.  He basically said he’s going for the lolpass for the rest of the game to fixate on me, while playing up the pity sob story of how he was wrong on tk3, and that was so deflating that he’s not going to push too hard, he’s just going to lay it out for other people.  

He’s just going to maintain a belligerent and incoherent posture because he thinks he is either purposefully being dense as scum, or thinks he is actually succeeding.

[SwAg]

Orca is pushing for invests on me.  When there are three realistic types of invests, four if you count Forge.  

Pickle is dead, and he is the one I would flunk.

Flacco got my background report and search.  I had bomb components, and combat medals.  Clearly I’m not ******* stabbing, shooting, or burning people because I HAD BOMB COMPONENTS.  Whicker was The Bomber.  Nacho was the Arsonist or Stabber.

Forensics is out with Forge, but since The Bomber is already dead, and I had bomb components, the forensics would be negative.

I will concede:  If there is a Bomb, then yes, you should probably ******* lynch me.

This is so mind-numbingly stupid.

Compounded with the absurd theory of MWil and I somehow coordinating an agent fake claim that 1.) MWil immediately said made no sense; 2.) I immediately said made no sense; and 3.) immediately flipped around on MWil, all in an attempt to get Forge lynched, apparently.

This is the level of rampant stupidity you all want me to be nice about and respond to, as though it was even coherent in the context of the game.

[Dome]

Seeing how my day is shaping up, I’ll be home with at least an hour to spare, if not more. 

See you clowns then. 

[DingoLadd]

1 hour ago, SwAg said:

Can someone read my posts and tell me if what I’m asking is unclear?

Yes. 

Expecting rationality in mafia?

You are either naive or expect more from people than you should.

22 minutes ago, bcb1213 said:

I think I'm just gonna skip this whole swag Orca argument 

Bcb with the smartest thing said all game. 

15 minutes ago, SwAg said:

Honestly, probably lynch Orca if he’s going to be a liability at best.  He basically claimed non-Team and Vanilla.  Demonstrated by the choice the selfless act to save Pickle because he’s more valuable, and later explicit statements.  He basically said he’s going for the lolpass for the rest of the game to fixate on me, while playing up the pity sob story of how he was wrong on tk3, and that was so deflating that he’s not going to push too hard, he’s just going to lay it out for other people.  

He’s just going to maintain a belligerent and incoherent posture because he thinks he is either purposefully being dense as scum, or thinks he is actually succeeding.

I regret nothing. 

MWil23. 

[The Orca]

5 hours ago, The Orca said:

Very interesting posts reading back at the first couple of days

On 4/17/2019 at 9:58 AM, MWil23 said:

Full disclosure @TheKillerNacho and   @theuntouchable, since I can't apparently be any more guilty/suspicious in your eyes, two nights ago I investigated
@SwAg and found out that SHE was an agent. Since Swag defused the bomb and the phony yesterday, I assume that he won't mind confirming this.

This post was Wednesday about Monday...what day did we start? 

On 4/15/2019 at 2:08 PM, SwAg said:

So, who we lynching, boys?  SwAg is reporting in!

 

So Swag is claiming town and has said he isnt part of the team. Yet Mwil said he was email and part of the team. No more female team members are left to claim...so what the blank

Here I was trying to show how the above post correlate to Swags claim on D1. Which I believe has now caught Mwil. Mwil claimed Monday morning that two nights ago (Monday, D1 where Swag posted this gif he invested Swag. Now he is claiming that was N2 because the gunshot stopped his N1 invest. Swag later claims he isn't part of the Team and is town. Mwils post above taken at a glance signals he is part of the Team imo. He later claims that he was being literal and that Swag (she) WAS an Agent as in not anymore. What could be construed as an agent. FBI, BAU, Secret Service...yes. Sergeant in the military...hell no. This was a play on words to make it seem like Swag was town and Mwil was confirming it. But I think messed up

On 4/15/2019 at 2:16 PM, SwAg said:

So, when I’m lynched by an assortment of FailTown, AFKers, Lolz, and Serial Killers, you should probably do something about that!

Setting up stuff early D1 

So here Swag was posting a reason for his lynch D1. He had like 3 or 4 votes I think when this was posted. Blaming others imo

On 4/15/2019 at 2:17 PM, Whicker said:

Swag and Touch is better than Swag and Matts at least 

Not sure why Whicker posted this but it didn't seem to fit and was sketchy looking back

On 4/15/2019 at 2:18 PM, MWil23 said:

Fin, BCB, Raves all very quiet. KOTN, Nacho, and Gopher are relatively quiet (Nacho gave an explanation).

Mwil posts about people not posting or being quiet...but leaves out Touch (Who called him out on it), myself and Tk3. The latter two I dont think had posted at this point

On 4/15/2019 at 3:34 PM, SwAg said:

It definitely goes both ways.  I know you’re focused on those defending me, and I don’t mind that, but it’s not difficult for me to imagine why non-Town people would vote for me to put me into this position in the first place.  A handicap is a handicap.

Pickle was pushing hard that someone defending Swag was a SK. Swag pushed hard the other way and was adamant to look at the people pushing him

On 4/15/2019 at 3:55 PM, SwAg said:

Yeah, but I can also understand the reasoning he alluded to being compelling as Town.  I mean, regardless of what you think of me, I doubt anyone would characterize me as lacking analytically.  So, I understand both my innocent and malicious explanation for defending me.  

I can see why you think that with KOTN, even MWil, as they’re relatively soft spoken, and I’m not.  Plus, KOTN had no issue lynching Malf on D1 in Gopher’s Game.  But, I can ignore that since I’m better than @Malfatron.

Furthermore, more to my initial point, it’s mutually exclusive.  One of my defenders could be doing the long con, and one of my detractors could be trying to ship me out early or limit my presence.

Swag talks about his defends finally, but more as 1 of them could be a SK and 1 of the people pushing him could be as well. Sets up the next post which is Red Flag worthy now imo

On 4/15/2019 at 4:04 PM, SwAg said:

Believe me, guys, I know one of my defenders is probably a SK, and probably going to murder me.  The same can be said for everyone else too.  

I’m not long for the game, lmao.  Serial Killers don’t want me alive because regardless of whether I’m Town or another SK, my best way of surviving is to find them.  

This is why I emphasize the early game record.  I have low survival expectations (call it arrogance if it helps), so I try to build something that’s going to outlive me.

He flat out claims that 1 of his defenders is a SK. At this time I think he still had a few votes. This is clearly setting something up and was an intentional post...or more grandstanding and trolling. Either way...wtf. He also starts the multiple posts about him dying, being lynched or going to be killed. Basically trying to get votes off of him, also setting up an eventual death and possibly putting us on the wrong path or where he wants us to look. Basically two SKs pushed Mwil hard early in Nacho and Whicker. Maybe they were setting up Mwil to be the fall guy at some point

On 4/16/2019 at 4:07 PM, Whicker said:

I planted the bombs. Both of them. And I have a partner who will win this game. Just saying.

 

On 4/16/2019 at 4:07 PM, SwAg said:

That’s ominous.

 

On 4/16/2019 at 4:07 PM, Whicker said:

Super annoying there's a defuse although it's not surprising

Whicker claims the bombs and basically says he isn't surprised about the defuses. Aside from Mwil, the interactions with Whicker and Swag are telling imo. They have a hint of knowing that other posts did not. Swag saying that it is ominous I assume to the partner aspect, then later Nacho says he doesnt and is trolling. Then Swag will push forth the partner angle

On 4/16/2019 at 4:11 PM, SwAg said:

Orca, what are your thoughts right now?

Sounds like two different types of bombers.

Basically making an excuse and reason for his role to be in the game imo. No reason to have Forge be able to defuse bombs and a normal citizen. Why? Doesnt make sense. I have been steadfast that having two bomb defusers would basically make a bomber inert. I was allowed to explain everything about the bomb, so theoretically I and Pickle and anyone else would live until we were out of defuses. That's a minimum of 4 I think. That's crazy. Basically makes Whicker a joke SK lol. One of the defusers is a fraud. I am confident. Whicker kept saying he was weak because of the defusers. What if 1 was connected to the bomber. He defuses the bombs and then everyone thinks he is civ and coasts through the game...exactly what Swag has done

On 4/16/2019 at 4:16 PM, TheKillerNacho said:

BTW he has no partner. Hes telling the truth about trollimg us

Spoken as fact 

On 4/16/2019 at 4:22 PM, SwAg said:

Whicker and Forge confirmed duo.

Spoken as fact opposite Nacho. They are basically causing the WIFOM we are at now imo

On 4/16/2019 at 4:23 PM, SwAg said:

Forge did you target someone last night? lol

Swag starts pushing Forge who claimed bomb defuser on D1 and D2. Swag made multiple attempts to make it seem like Forge was an imposter. When in fact Forge was a member of the team

On 4/16/2019 at 4:26 PM, SwAg said:

Tbh, if Forge is lying, it is genuinely impressive how hard he failed in certain details, yet maintained other lesser details.  Makes me think there is something true there.

Whicker pushes Forge as well. If Swag is connected to the Bomber, what better way to expose Forge who fumbled his role like Mwil and get him lyched or hit

On 4/16/2019 at 4:53 PM, Whicker said:

I have a genuine defuse right here

Whicker claims to have a defusal. He also later claims to have a specific restriction on a time constraint like Swag. He then says Swag can confirm this aspect. What better way to further reinforce that Swag is the real bomb defuser and Forge is a fraud...which Forge was the TEAM MEMBER

On 4/16/2019 at 5:40 PM, SwAg said:

Not really.  You’re saying you don’t think he would do it based on a lot of unknown context that may have occurred.  I proposed a scenario in which it is likely.

The strikes just add up on Mwil: (1) role not in open setup post; (2) messed up claim; (3) spiraling responses; (4) some of you might include unsolicited defenses of me; and (5) and I am sorry I mention this, but simply using real life to get away — we previously had someone use his grandmother dying, mother diagnosed with cancer, etc. in games to get out of being lynched as obvious scum. @bcb1213 verify.

Using real life got in the way...what has Swag been doing. Claiming he cant participate fully until school is out in May, says he isn't interested in the game and doesnt want to commit time to the game

On 4/16/2019 at 6:02 PM, SwAg said:

lol, I feel like Whicker has told us half the truth, and we are stuck trying to discern which half.

Looking back, seriously another post that seems to be of knowledge and if not...just plain trolling

On 4/16/2019 at 6:10 PM, Whicker said:

I'm not alone. If I were alone, all hope of winning is gone and I'd just take my lynch and move on. But I'm here to set the table for someone else right now.

I believe this statement. Two bombs on 1 night. When has scum been able to go to two houses in one night? Only 1 game I have ever seen. I think this is true

On 4/16/2019 at 6:19 PM, SwAg said:

I feel like Whicker is purposefully being helpful to make my idea less believable.

Using a SK to make himself look better. Why imo. No reason to make this post

On 4/16/2019 at 6:19 PM, SwAg said:

So, screw you, Whicker.

Trying to separate himself imo from Whicker

On 4/16/2019 at 7:26 PM, SwAg said:

Please, Forge, my dear friend, enlighten me as to:

(1) how you were unclear in your ability when Dome's game has segmented Role PMs that line-by-line instructions;

(2) do you even know what you ******* do?  You've claimed an x-shot limited-protector, bomb defuser, and Watcher, and somehow didn't understand your role.  The whole "I'm new" schtick isn't going to work because last I checked you're not new to reading;

(3) you said earlier three people would die at night without you, yet you allegedly only have two defuses, and didn't understand how to use them, but apparently at that time you knew it was a night ability; and

(4) how did you not know it's a night ability after a.) using it on N1, and b.) "consuming a charge"

Putting more shade on Forge...the claimed bomb defuser after Swag I think defused Pickle

On 4/16/2019 at 7:29 PM, Whicker said:

If you could all somehow not lynch and me and lynch Forge instead that'd be really cool. I'll send you a bomb and then defuse it!

Wanting Forge lynched...but not Swag....lmao

On 4/16/2019 at 7:49 PM, Whicker said:

I just get to choose who I kill. It's not the last voter. Swag is being prudent 

Swag didn't vote Whicker because he said Whicker would blow up...Whicker agreed with him and Swag doesnt lynch Whicker 

On 4/16/2019 at 8:21 PM, SwAg said:

Well, y'all have about 35 minutes to decide if you want Orca or not.

I think the Bombs are largely done for the game, and I don't want to trust Forge, and I have more defuses, so I would be inclined to save Orca because he's Town, and I believe I'm likely to die early.

But if I'm wrong -- which I'm always wrong -- then there is another bomber out there, and then I use a good amount of my defuses right out the gate and we're stuck later.

Wow this post. Making himself useful to town...claims Im town (knowledge), then puts more shade on Forge

On 4/16/2019 at 8:31 PM, TheKillerNacho said:

@Forge If you have the power to save Orca but only have one save left let him die. he's probably scum. Chance he's Whicker's partner. If you don't save him and he doesnt explode we will have good faith on that. If he somehow is town he's probably a liability cause his reads have been awful.

Either way you're almost certifiably better off investigating someone. Which is frankly what you should've done n1.

Nacho with the absolute opposite stance as Swag, that was interesting

On 4/16/2019 at 8:39 PM, MWil23 said:

I say save him. We have the bomber already and there’s no guarantee of a partner. I think saying that he has one is his best attempt to win post lynch.

Im still hesitant on Mwi and extremely worried about him at the same time lol

On 4/16/2019 at 9:08 PM, MWil23 said:

I get that completely, but from my vantage point, if I’m being targeted night 1, I’m better off communicating now because there may not be a tomorrow for me and my win stipulation is the same as the rest of town I assume. Even if I get a mislynch out of it, people will go back and look to see who pushed for me and connect the scum dots.

 

Felt like quoting this...even with all his inconsistencies...he posted here that he assumed he had the same wincon as the rest of town. Implying he is town and not town. Would he be able to have a detail like that just thrown in that matches given he cant keep anything straight

On 4/16/2019 at 9:09 PM, SwAg said:

I don’t know if Nacho has improved a lot, or if I’m just biased because he’s acting like me.

I urge you all to read these quotes

Swag/Nacho connection

Sorry for the long post but I thought this was best to use again. My responses this time are in bold. Further explaining how the posts fit my thoughts on Swag, Nacho, Whicker, and Mwil

 

So, for a while now, beginning with the bombs on D2, I suspected that there was someone working with the bomber. Maybe Whicker was the bomber like he claimed...or maybe the guy who can defuse the bombs is the bomber. Either way. Having two bombs placed in 1 night signifies someone is helping the bomber imo. Most games...and I do mean most, scum can only use 1 move and go to 1 house a night. Whicker would have had gone to 2 houses or someone is working with him. I believe 1 of these people is a bomb defuser. Swag being this person makes total sense to me because of all the posts I quoted above. Having a SK, someone working with the bomber, accomplice, or the real bomber, being able to defuse the bombs would be perfect cover and make them look like a civ. It would also make up for the fact that civs and the Team in particular had a bunch of moves at their disposal. Yes some of those moves were false positives, but having that many moves that could possibly catch a SK, to balance the game the SKs would need something to balance out their end. I propose that is the ability to defuse their own bombs (SWAG).

 

Separate from that theory you have Swags game play. His posts on D1 and D2 were mostly game related with some trolling. Starting D3 he has been mostly absent, trolling, calling Mwil a SK and touch is gonna kill us all etc. What if he knew he could clear himself with the bomb defusal, get Forge to out himself (which he already did) and then constantly troll about Mwil and touch. They both could be SKs or scum and once "cleared" he thought no one would look back at those posts.

Then you have the constant complaining, saying he doesnt care about the game, doesnt want to devote time, etc. BS. After lying low for a few days he has popped back up today after we have lost 3 Team members and a townie.

Then you have the fact that a town member could defuse bombs...that would be overpowered on top of the team moves...and the fact I have no move as a townie.

Then you have @AFlaccoSeagulls saying unbeknownst to me that Swag had background info that would allude to being a bomber. This is way too much coincidences to be random. Could it be a false positive maybe....but look above at everything else. I could add a lot more imo to all this and might but let me know if this is clearer and what you all think. Please read the posts in the quote tree and my thoughts in bold as well 

[AFlaccoSeagulls]

I have no reason to not believe SwAg. I actually have more reason to not believe Orca because the bomb around his neck was a fake - meaning the bomber could've planted it on his decoy KNOWING it wouldn't kill him. For now though, I have no reason to lynch Orca.

I do, however, have reason to lynch Mwil. 

[The Orca]

1 minute ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said:

I have no reason to not believe SwAg. I actually have more reason to not believe Orca because the bomb around his neck was a fake - meaning the bomber could've planted it on his decoy KNOWING it wouldn't kill him. For now though, I have no reason to lynch Orca.

I do, however, have reason to lynch Mwil. 

Can you give me your thoughts to the post above?

[AFlaccoSeagulls]

After reading all of that, and especially after reading Whicker's post - I believe Orca is his partner.

[AFlaccoSeagulls]

However, none of that information is neither here nor there AT THE MOMENT. Our best lead right now is MWil who, despite claiming a garbage role on D2(?) is still in the game because of like 2 straight late-night pushes to save him. I will have more information tomorrow and I hope we still have someone left who can do another invest. I'm hoping that one of the SK's tries to kill me tonight, though.

[theuntouchable]

I have gone from thinking orca as civ to thinking orca is SK. 

[theuntouchable]

14 minutes ago, The Orca said:

Sorry for the long post but I thought this was best to use again. My responses this time are in bold. Further explaining how the posts fit my thoughts on Swag, Nacho, Whicker, and Mwil

 

So, for a while now, beginning with the bombs on D2, I suspected that there was someone working with the bomber. Maybe Whicker was the bomber like he claimed...or maybe the guy who can defuse the bombs is the bomber. Either way. Having two bombs placed in 1 night signifies someone is helping the bomber imo. Most games...and I do mean most, scum can only use 1 move and go to 1 house a night. Whicker would have had gone to 2 houses or someone is working with him. I believe 1 of these people is a bomb defuser. Swag being this person makes total sense to me because of all the posts I quoted above. Having a SK, someone working with the bomber, accomplice, or the real bomber, being able to defuse the bombs would be perfect cover and make them look like a civ. It would also make up for the fact that civs and the Team in particular had a bunch of moves at their disposal. Yes some of those moves were false positives, but having that many moves that could possibly catch a SK, to balance the game the SKs would need something to balance out their end. I propose that is the ability to defuse their own bombs (SWAG).

 

Separate from that theory you have Swags game play. His posts on D1 and D2 were mostly game related with some trolling. Starting D3 he has been mostly absent, trolling, calling Mwil a SK and touch is gonna kill us all etc. What if he knew he could clear himself with the bomb defusal, get Forge to out himself (which he already did) and then constantly troll about Mwil and touch. They both could be SKs or scum and once "cleared" he thought no one would look back at those posts.

Then you have the constant complaining, saying he doesnt care about the game, doesnt want to devote time, etc. BS. After lying low for a few days he has popped back up today after we have lost 3 Team members and a townie.

Then you have the fact that a town member could defuse bombs...that would be overpowered on top of the team moves...and the fact I have no move as a townie.

Then you have @AFlaccoSeagulls saying unbeknownst to me that Swag had background info that would allude to being a bomber. This is way too much coincidences to be random. Could it be a false positive maybe....but look above at everything else. I could add a lot more imo to all this and might but let me know if this is clearer and what you all think. Please read the posts in the quote tree and my thoughts in bold as well 

This really seems like a straw man making a bale of hay. 

[SwAg]

I see why you didn’t want to explain it.

[The Orca]

I took that whole time to put together my thoughts and no one can explain 2 ******* bomb defusers in the game...seriously

Orca

Lynch me now