ninjapirate Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Danger said: You also have to consider he had the best QB in the country throwing to him, and most of it was YAC. Playing exclusively in the slot and having 111 catches for 13.9 ypc also probably inflates that number. Like that's a stat that means nothing if he wasn't the leader that would be concerning lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSean Jackson Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, ninjapirate said: i can't find it but I saw a stat where jefferson had the lowest average air yards for passes caught for the guys in the draft this year. So he doesn't stretch anything he's a dink and dunk guy. I would love to see what you’re talking about because his avg air yards is 9 which is pretty good... he also shows he’s a top 2 separator in this class... you don’t have a 92% catch rate on 111 catches if you can’t get open. He’s as reliable as they come. Don’t discredit his 14 YPC that’s more then michael thomas had, and doing 14 ypc from the slot with 111 catches is impressive. Edited April 20, 2020 by DeSean Jackson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSean Jackson Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 You guys hate all over Jefferson, when he dominates elite competition. Then love on mims and when he played Jeff gladney he looked horrible. Was bullied off his routes and showed zero separation. Mims is not physical at all towards the ball. His game speed is no where near his timed speed. He has drop issues, and can high point a ball every once in awhile, that’s not what we need. We need a reliable wideout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 28 minutes ago, DeSean Jackson said: You guys hate all over Jefferson, when he dominates elite competition. Then love on mims and when he played Jeff gladney he looked horrible. Was bullied off his routes and showed zero separation. Mims is not physical at all towards the ball. His game speed is no where near his timed speed. He has drop issues, and can high point a ball every once in awhile, that’s not what we need. We need a reliable wideout Jefferson isn't a low 4.4 guy either. Mims is faster, an outside receiver, and didn't have the best offensive coordinator and QB in the country throwing to him. Not to mention another WR on the same team who was better (JaMarr Chase). Jefferson had it easy mode comparatively speaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 36 minutes ago, DeSean Jackson said: I would love to see what you’re talking about because his avg air yards is 9 which is pretty good... he also shows he’s a top 2 separator in this class... you don’t have a 92% catch rate on 111 catches if you can’t get open. He’s as reliable as they come. Don’t discredit his 14 YPC that’s more then michael thomas had, and doing 14 ypc from the slot with 111 catches is impressive. His catch rate is so high because of the system he's in at LSU in large part. Jefferson may be a solid WR in the league but he's a slot guy, and his numbers are hugely inflated. Do you know what his numbers were before Joe Brady came in and made Joe Burrow into what he is? 54 Catches for 875 Yards and 6 Touchdowns. This was back when Chase was a freshman so Jefferson was also easily the number 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSean Jackson Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 51 minutes ago, Danger said: His catch rate is so high because of the system he's in at LSU in large part. Jefferson may be a solid WR in the league but he's a slot guy, and his numbers are hugely inflated. Do you know what his numbers were before Joe Brady came in and made Joe Burrow into what he is? 54 Catches for 875 Yards and 6 Touchdowns. This was back when Chase was a freshman so Jefferson was also easily the number 1. His catch rate is so high because of a system? Wow if that’s the case at 14 ypc everything should run that! He was a sophomore when that happened and he still produced. Watch his tape and you’ll see him finding holes in the zone and beating people by route running. You can also say matt rhule made Mims lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSean Jackson Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 56 minutes ago, Danger said: Jefferson isn't a low 4.4 guy either. Mims is faster, an outside receiver, and didn't have the best offensive coordinator and QB in the country throwing to him. Not to mention another WR on the same team who was better (JaMarr Chase). Jefferson had it easy mode comparatively speaking. Jefferson also can play outside... matt rhule was arguably a top 3 college head coach. So don’t use joe brady as an excuse for Jefferson having a great year. It takes skill to be able to have 111 catches on 122 targets. You can say jamar chase is better, but Jefferson was burrows favorite target. Based on your thinking, ruggs, jeudy, lamb should all be looked down on due to the best college coaches and jeudy had all the talent in the world! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, DeSean Jackson said: Jefferson also can play outside... matt rhule was arguably a top 3 college head coach. So don’t use joe brady as an excuse for Jefferson having a great year. It takes skill to be able to have 111 catches on 122 targets. You can say jamar chase is better, but Jefferson was burrows favorite target. Based on your thinking, ruggs, jeudy, lamb should all be looked down on due to the best college coaches and jeudy had all the talent in the world! James Proche also had 111 catches and just 4 drops. I guess he can also be a #1 outside WR, and we can get him in round 4, so why bother with Jefferson in the 1st? And he did it with a crap QB and without Jamar Chase taking away the other teams #1 CB. If you like Jefferson, then you have to love Proche. And Omar Bayless. Who we can probably get in the 6th round. Both of them just as productive as Jefferson, with far worse QB's. Edited April 20, 2020 by Jeezla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, DeSean Jackson said: You can say jamar chase is better, but Jefferson was burrows favorite target. Based on your thinking, ruggs, jeudy, lamb should all be looked down on due to the best college coaches and jeudy had all the talent in the world! This is the kind of mindset that got us JJAW over DK Metcalf. And Joe Brady was the hottest offensive mind since Sean McVay. Rhule is good, but not that good. Edited April 20, 2020 by Danger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSean Jackson Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 18 minutes ago, Jeezla said: James Proche also had 111 catches and just 4 drops. I guess he can also be a #1 outside WR, and we can get him in round 4, so why bother with Jefferson in the 1st? And he did it with a crap QB and without Jamar Chase taking away the other teams #1 CB. If you like Jefferson, then you have to love Proche. And Omar Bayless. Who we can probably get in the 6th round. Both of them just as productive as Jefferson, with far worse QB's. We’re really gonna compare the dbs smu faces to LSU? Lol. Proche also had a 65 catch rate not near 92%. Jefferson is also the better athlete and runs ten times better routes. Can’t just compare catch numbers without the whole facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSean Jackson Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Danger said: This is the kind of mindset that got us JJAW over DK Metcalf. And Joe Brady was the hottest offensive mind since Sean McVay. Rhule is good, but not that good. Jefferson separates which Jj never did well. Brady is a good OC but no he’s not magician and can just make every wideout have 92% catch rate on 111 catches... it’s the wideouts job to execute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, DeSean Jackson said: Jefferson separates which Jj never did well. Brady is a good OC but no he’s not magician and can just make every wideout have 92% catch rate on 111 catches... it’s the wideouts job to execute. Getting separation is inherently easier from the slot, when you don't have to play a teams best corner, and when you have the best OC in the country. Why were Jefferson's numbers so pedestrian up until this season? It's because of the reasons that I as well as others have stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, DeSean Jackson said: We’re really gonna compare the dbs smu faces to LSU? Lol. Proche also had a 65 catch rate not near 92%. Jefferson is also the better athlete and runs ten times better routes. Can’t just compare catch numbers without the whole facts 4/5ths of the slot cb's Jefferson faced won't be in the NFL either. His routes are not 10x better than Proche's. They aren't even twice better. They are like 15% better. Route running is Proche's best attribute after hands. He's a top 5 route runner in the class. He has a 65 catch rate because his QB is crap. He's dropped 9 passes in 4 years. Edited April 20, 2020 by Jeezla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 All this talk of taking WRs 1 thru 5 and Howie will surprise everone and take Kenneth Murray in the 1st. I for one would be fine with it too assuming the top 3 are gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 Which of these scenarios would you guys rather have? Option A Trade a 1st, 2nd, 3rd (next year) and 4th round comp pick to move up to take Lamb OR Option B Keep the 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks and trade down to recoup a 3rd rounder at least and take Reagor or Mims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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