warfelg Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 6 hours ago, wwhickok said: Or maybe Butler is so bad at it that Tomlin is trying to help best he can. However it has a lot to do with the talent they've been dealing with too Bolded 2000%. Shazier get's hurt, bring in 2 down thumpers as replacements. Complain about CB#2, don't mention it when complaining about coaching. Whine that Dupree sucks, don't bring it up when it comes to 'should someone lose a job'. Make comments about Davis issues, don't acknowledge it when talking about who's responsible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR43 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Is Williams going to start game one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSteelers56 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 37 minutes ago, DR43 said: Is Williams going to start game one? I'd bet he does. My guess is Barron and VInce are the starters for the first snap. I'd say Bush and Barron will far out-snap Vince this season, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 2 hours ago, DR43 said: Is Williams going to start game one? he is ahead of bush on the depth chart. Now what about once they decide to start Bush, does Baron stay at ILB with Bush? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSteelers56 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 2 hours ago, 3rivers said: he is ahead of bush on the depth chart. Now what about once they decide to start Bush, does Baron stay at ILB with Bush? I think Williams probably starts most games. I think there will be about an even split between snaps for all them. I don't think it really matters who the starter is. I'd bet we'll see a lot of all the combinations depending on the situation. I know there are a lot on here that want so desperately to replace Vince, but I don't see it happening this year. Sorry to burst everyone's bubble. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, MOSteelers56 said: I think Williams probably starts most games. I think there will be about an even split between snaps for all them. I don't think it really matters who the starter is. I'd bet we'll see a lot of all the combinations depending on the situation. I know there are a lot on here that want so desperately to replace Vince, but I don't see it happening this year. Sorry to burst everyone's bubble. It don't desperately wont to replace William's, I dont want him in coverage. I have 0 problem with Bush taking it slow as long as it doesnt compromise our ability to win games. VW is probably on his last season as a Steeler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 minute ago, wwhickok said: It don't desperately wont to replace William's, I dont want him in coverage. I have 0 problem with Bush taking it slow as long as it doesnt compromise our ability to win games. VW is probably on his last season as a Steeler. this is the way I see it, unless of course they keep williams and let Baron go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, 3rivers said: this is the way I see it, unless of course they keep williams and let Baron go Honestly, regardless I hope they draft another ILB in the first 4 rounds next season. TE, OLB, ILB. CB, NT, S imo in no particular order. Sad thing is, we will NEED all of those positions. Edited September 4, 2019 by wwhickok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 They should let Red go and have Williams play ST. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 I am really surprised that we have not been more aggressive about getting better TE depth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeler Hitman Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 23 minutes ago, wwhickok said: I am really surprised that we have not been more aggressive about getting better TE depth There really haven't been any quality guys available from what I have seen. I did like the guy Willson from the Raiders who was cut early, but truthfully he is a project as well. I was looking/hoping for more of a #2 type than a potential project or #3. I guess that they have faith in Grimble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 14 minutes ago, Steeler Hitman said: There really haven't been any quality guys available from what I have seen. I did like the guy Willson from the Raiders who was cut early, but truthfully he is a project as well. I was looking/hoping for more of a #2 type than a potential project or #3. I guess that they have faith in Grimble. Huh? He’s a 7 year vet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Yeah Wilson is a fairly balanced, fairly reliable role player. Nothing flashy and the Raiders simply had guys that are better overall at whatever they want them to do (blocking or receiving) he can do both and even as a #2 imo would be a slight upgrade over Grimble in terms of reliability. He would be a 1 year stop gap type option 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeler Hitman Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, warfelg said: Huh? He’s a 7 year vet. Warfelg, I honestly didn't realize that Willson had been in the NFL that long. I also did not realize that he was 29 either. However, I still see him as a journeyman/#3 and not a solid #2 or potential #1. I believe that even more-so now since I realize that he has been in the league for six previous seasons. You had me do some research on Willson and his best receiving year was back in 2014 when he avg. 18 ypc, 3 Td's (including an 80 yard TD) and 362 yards. He did not seem to build from this to become a strong #2 or even a potential #1. Jessie James in comparison has put up better receiving numbers as a #2 and #3 TE as a Steeler. James has also done a decent job filling in as a starter when Heath, LaDarius or Vance went down (obviously this helped his receiving numbers). This is the type of guy (Outlaw) that I would at the bare minimum love to sign. However, realistically these guys don't hang around like fruit waiting to fall from a tree. The financial aspect of the salary cap also plays a factor in this as well. I am sure that the Steelers would have loved to keep Outlaw, but not at signing him for a $25 million contract. I don't know who is left out there to fill that void. I was in favor of trying to sign former Raven TE Maxx Williams at the start of free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 I think too many people are looking to hit a star this way rather than just a better than Grimble/Gentry impact. Willson is better than them. That's all I need. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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