MikeT14 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 The difference between a turd sandwich on wheat and a turd sandwich on rye is closer than you're letting on @turtle28. Saying it's not close is funny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, MikeT14 said: The difference between a turd sandwich on wheat and a turd sandwich on rye is closer than you're letting on @turtle28. Saying it's not close is funny. 20 more wins & 2 playoff appearances (w/in 4 years & 2 NFC East Championships) over a decade is nothing to sneeze at. The Redskins also weren't 0-16 & 1-15 in back to back seasons. I get the Redskins weren’t good but for 2 years last decade, weren’t great ever and were mediocre for 3 years and awful for 5 of those 10 years but the Browns were only mediocre under Pettine & Greg Williams = 3 years. They were awful for 7 of the last 10 years. Edited March 13, 2020 by turtle28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, turtle28 said: 20 more wins & 2 playoff appearances (w/in 4 years & 2 NFC East Championships) over a decade is nothing to sneeze at. The Redskins also weren't 0-16 & 1-15 in back to back seasons. I get the Redskins weren’t good but for 2 years last decade, weren’t great ever and were mediocre for 3 years and awful for 5 of those 10 years but the Browns were only mediocre under Pettine & Greg Williams = 3 years. They were awful for 7 of the last 10 years. Okay so a turd sandwich vs a turd sandwich with extra turd. However you want to look at it. Maybe I am missing the point of this pointless argument (heyo), but the cheerleader scandal outweighs any wins and losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, MikeT14 said: Okay so a turd sandwich vs a turd sandwich with extra turd. However you want to look at it. Maybe I am missing the point of this pointless argument (heyo), but the cheerleader scandal outweighs any wins and losses. Well, the point is obvious! You're not willing to admit that while the Redskins haven't been good, they haven't been the worst. In fact, I’d argue the Bears have been worse than the Redskins this past decade too, the Cardinals and Dolphins. To me it seems you are deliberately doing that on purpose bc you're not admitting the obvious. Edited March 13, 2020 by turtle28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, turtle28 said: Well, the point is obvious! You're not willing to admit that while the Redskins haven't been good, they haven't been the worst. In fact, I’d argue the Bears have been worse than the Redskins this past decade too, the Cardinals and Dolphins. To me it seems you are deliberately doing that on purpose bc you're not admitting the obvious. So your point is that Haslam is the worst because he has a worse record than Snyder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 hour ago, MikeT14 said: So your point is that Haslam is the worst because he has a worse record than Snyder? I mean, we could throw in that he forced Pettine & Company to draft Manziel when they didn’t want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, turtle28 said: I mean, we could throw in that he forced Pettine & Company to draft Manziel when they didn’t want to. And we can throw in a 100 things for Snyder. I'm trying to understand because you told me I'm not seeing the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 hour ago, MikeT14 said: And we can throw in a 100 things for Snyder. I'm trying to understand because you told me I'm not seeing the point. Because you’re blatantly ignoring it. It’s fine, but if someone can’t see that while the Redskins have been obviously run poorly the last 20 years that the Browns have obviously been a lot worse, I can’t help that. Here’s how I see it: “We’ve sucked, but at least we’re not the Browns bc they’ve sucked harder!” Haha 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, turtle28 said: Because you’re blatantly ignoring it. It’s fine, but if someone can’t see that while the Redskins have been obviously run poorly the last 20 years that the Browns have obviously been a lot worse, I can’t help that. Here’s how I see it: “We’ve sucked, but at least we’re not the Browns bc they’ve sucked harder!” Haha 🤣 I keep asking you what the criteria is, and you're telling me I'm ignoring it. I even asked you is this just off record, and you callously throw out another Haslam example of something. I don't even know what I am "blatantly ignoring." So yeah, I'm the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 5 hours ago, MikeT14 said: Okay so a turd sandwich vs a turd sandwich with extra turd. However you want to look at it. Maybe I am missing the point of this pointless argument (heyo), but the cheerleader scandal outweighs any wins and losses. Exactly. Haslam doesn't have the record that Snyder does as it relates to off-field stuff like the cheerleader debacle, handing the firings of McCloughan and Lafemina, etc. Both are giant turds and at the bottom of the league as far as owners go though, just in different ways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, naptownskinsfan said: Exactly. Haslam doesn't have the record that Snyder does as it relates to off-field stuff like the cheerleader debacle, handing the firings of McCloughan and Lafemina, etc. Both are giant turds and at the bottom of the league as far as owners go though, just in different ways. Yet, Haslam hires and fires a new coaching staff and front office every few years. Edited March 13, 2020 by turtle28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, turtle28 said: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-lists/the-15-worst-owners-in-sports-144598/jimmy-haslam-cleveland-browns-181192/ And guess who is #1 on the list from that website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, naptownskinsfan said: And guess who is #1 on the list from that website? Yeah, the title was deceiving. I still think Haslam is worse if you're just focussing on football but I think the article ignores how much Snyder & especially his wife do in the community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceinthehouse Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Haslem is way worse than Snyder. We've had 2 Coaches the last 6 years... The browns have had like 20... Please... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted March 14, 2020 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 7 hours ago, naptownskinsfan said: And guess who is #1 on the list from that website? That’s fine but Haslam is still worse and should probably be in jail. Considering the serious legal trouble his family was involved in, the fact he still owns the team is kinda embarrassing. He should’ve been forced to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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