NightTrainLane Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 hour ago, raiderrocker18 said: He looks like he could add some weight with his frame. But highlight videos like that just remind me of Bruce Campbell hype He steadily is. Came into college at 275 and is now around 315. Of course, these #'s are to be taken lightly but it shows he is progressing on that front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 My Lb list right now besides the smith and evans tremaine edmonds vt josh allen uk tegray scales indy fred warner byu im liking derwin james in the first but im figuring gruden will want a new toy for the offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: My Lb list right now besides the smith and evans tremaine edmonds vt josh allen uk tegray scales indy fred warner byu im liking derwin james in the first but im figuring gruden will want a new toy for the offense Smith is a tricky evaluation because despite his standout plays, he's a liability against the run up the middle and I don't think he has ideal length in zone coverage. I have to do more watching, but I might like Edmunds and Evans ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 3 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: My Lb list right now besides the smith and evans tremaine edmonds vt josh allen uk tegray scales indy fred warner byu im liking derwin james in the first but im figuring gruden will want a new toy for the offense lol.... BYU. Never change NCOUGH. Where are you ranking Leighton Vander Esch? I feel people are sleeping on him hard. He is going blow up at the combine and be a fast riser. He's a first round talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Rich7sena said: Smith is a tricky evaluation because despite his standout plays, he's a liability against the run up the middle and I don't think he has ideal length in zone coverage. I have to do more watching, but I might like Edmunds and Evans ahead of him. Keep sleeping on Smith. Ranking Edmunds and Evans over him is overthinking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: Keep sleeping on Smith. Ranking Edmunds and Evans over him is overthinking it. This has been my initial take on Roquan Smith once he entered the national conversation. My evaluation of him isn't wrong I just prefer different things from linebacker prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: Keep sleeping on Smith. Ranking Edmunds and Evans over him is overthinking it. This has been my initial take on Roquan Smith once he entered the national conversation. My evaluation of him isn't wrong I just prefer different things from linebacker prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, Rich7sena said: This has been my initial take on Roquan Smith once he entered the national conversation. My evaluation of him isn't wrong I just prefer different things from linebacker prospects. That said, were do you rank him if you're putting Edmunds ahead of him? Edmunds has athletic ability that you can develop but his feel for the game, intelligence to diagnose plays, read and react qualities are not there. He lacks the instincts I want in a LB. WLB - I'd rank them Smith (top 10), Vander Esch (round 1) then a step down - Edmunds, Carter, Baker (round 2) IMO.... those 3 all have boom/bust potential. Athletes for days, space eaters, but not great instincts for the position yet. Need to develop. Evans looks more MLB, but played SAM at Bama. I want to see how his offseason plays out, but I like his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 5 hours ago, big_palooka said: lol.... BYU. Never change NCOUGH. Where are you ranking Leighton Vander Esch? I feel people are sleeping on him hard. He is going blow up at the combine and be a fast riser. He's a first round talent. I'm into money backers. I didn't know vandy was entering ill keep my eye on him. Being in a passing conf helps guys like him and warner. I'm kinda in love with derwin tho I think he is what we need on defense. He can man up any position on the field especially te. He's like half Ramses/deion Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightTrainLane Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 4 hours ago, big_palooka said: That said, were do you rank him if you're putting Edmunds ahead of him? Edmunds has athletic ability that you can develop but his feel for the game, intelligence to diagnose plays, read and react qualities are not there. He lacks the instincts I want in a LB. WLB - I'd rank them Smith (top 10), Vander Esch (round 1) then a step down - Edmunds, Carter, Baker (round 2) IMO.... those 3 all have boom/bust potential. Athletes for days, space eaters, but not great instincts for the position yet. Need to develop. Evans looks more MLB, but played SAM at Bama. I want to see how his offseason plays out, but I like his game. The question is what is a bigger need for us, WLB (Smith) or MLB (Evans)? At WLB we have James and Morrow with Woodson-Luster and Harris as sub package development guys. At MLB we have Lee. Bowman is a FA and we all would like to see him back on a reasonable deal but that is a question mark, to say the least, with the change of staff and possibly scheme. James and Morrow can definitely be upgraded but did show promise, development and high motors when they got snaps. Lee also showed more toward the end of the year but I think we'd all agree that he was behind James and Morrow in terms of play making. Development is harder to judge for him in his limited snaps. Looking at the position as a whole, I would say that we could use one high draft pick and one vet this coming year. I'd say MLB is the bigger need but it wouldn't stop me from taking a blue chip WLB if that's how the board falls. A lot still be considered like free agency and draft trades so this is just a very early assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddevil Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 49 minutes ago, NightTrainLane said: The question is what is a bigger need for us, WLB (Smith) or MLB (Evans)? At WLB we have James and Morrow with Woodson-Luster and Harris as sub package development guys. At MLB we have Lee. Bowman is a FA and we all would like to see him back on a reasonable deal but that is a question mark, to say the least, with the change of staff and possibly scheme. James and Morrow can definitely be upgraded but did show promise, development and high motors when they got snaps. Lee also showed more toward the end of the year but I think we'd all agree that he was behind James and Morrow in terms of play making. Development is harder to judge for him in his limited snaps. Looking at the position as a whole, I would say that we could use one high draft pick and one vet this coming year. I'd say MLB is the bigger need but it wouldn't stop me from taking a blue chip WLB if that's how the board falls. A lot still be considered like free agency and draft trades so this is just a very early assessment. What actually happened to James? I can't remember if he ended up on IR, but he seemed to come back for a game or two after an injury and never reappear. I though he started the season really well. I also thought Morrow flashed some potential - nothing more. James, I was hoping would step up and be a starter for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightTrainLane Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, reddevil said: What actually happened to James? I can't remember if he ended up on IR, but he seemed to come back for a game or two after an injury and never reappear. I though he started the season really well. I also thought Morrow flashed some potential - nothing more. James, I was hoping would step up and be a starter for us. James had a MCL injury in the Bal game IIRC. He tried to rest it and play through it but re-injured it vs Den. Went on IR after rest didn't help a few weeks later. I think James can play the position, if healthy. But what I said above covers it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 We all see how dominant the Jags are, largely due to their incredible D-line. Disappointing to know we tried for Calais Campbell last OS too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 3 hours ago, NightTrainLane said: The question is what is a bigger need for us, WLB (Smith) or MLB (Evans)? At WLB we have James and Morrow with Woodson-Luster and Harris as sub package development guys. At MLB we have Lee. Bowman is a FA and we all would like to see him back on a reasonable deal but that is a question mark, to say the least, with the change of staff and possibly scheme. James and Morrow can definitely be upgraded but did show promise, development and high motors when they got snaps. Lee also showed more toward the end of the year but I think we'd all agree that he was behind James and Morrow in terms of play making. Development is harder to judge for him in his limited snaps. Looking at the position as a whole, I would say that we could use one high draft pick and one vet this coming year. I'd say MLB is the bigger need but it wouldn't stop me from taking a blue chip WLB if that's how the board falls. A lot still be considered like free agency and draft trades so this is just a very early assessment. The Raiders LBs are not starting caliber (though some will try to argue they are). If you can get a stud MLB, WLB it doesn't matter. They need more playmaking ability and speed at ALL LB spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightTrainLane Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 Just now, big_palooka said: The Raiders LBs are not starting caliber (though some will try to argue they are). If you can get a stud MLB, WLB it doesn't matter. They need more playmaking ability and speed at ALL LB spots. But that wasn't the question i asked and tried to give point counter point to. It was which position is the bigger need. WLB and MLB? Yes, we'd would love to upgrade across the board, but with how the draft works, the money we have to spend and other positions that also need attention with new schemes and coaches coming in, that isn't a probable option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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