riceman80 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 6 hours ago, ttitansfan4life said: McNair must be the GOAT then. Derrick Mason, Kevin Dyson, Frank Wycheck, Eddie George, Bruce Matthews, etc...McNair wasn't working with scrubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just now, TitanLegend said: Yes, I can read PFR and PFF too. Alex Smith, Case Keenum, Brian Hoyer, Carson Palmer are some of the names that join him at the top of some of these statistics as well, but I don't think we're rushing to put their names with Tom Brady. Do they also join him as #1 in YPA, #3 in passer rating, and QBing the #1 scoring offense in the NFL? Of course, nobody rushed to put his name in with Brady. The point was that he's been far more than serviceable through the first three games (against arguably weak competition). If you can't admit that, you're simply not worth the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Sample size way too small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanLegend Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, jrry32 said: Do they also join him as #1 in YPA, #3 in passer rating, and QBing the #1 scoring offense in the NFL? Of course, nobody rushed to put his name in with Brady. The point was that he's been far more than serviceable through the first three games (against arguably weak competition). If you can't admit that, you're simply not worth the discussion. I think the biggest issue here is we have a different definition of serviceable. It's not surprising, given everyone's overuse of words like elite and great. A serviceable QB is a QB(to me, at least) who is good enough to help you win games so long as you have a piece or two around him. That's what Goff has been this season. Rams have put a better o-line in front of him, gotten him some solid weapons, and they've won two football games thanks to that and his improvement under McVay. I had this exact same(well, similar I guess) argument with Raider fans in the off-season about Derek Carr. They got offended because I wouldn't use the word elite when talking about him, instead calling him a good quarterback. Like that's some kind of offensive statement. I guess it is with how the media treats the QBs these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just now, TitanLegend said: I think the biggest issue here is we have a different definition of serviceable. It's not surprising, given everyone's overuse of words like elite and great. A serviceable QB is a QB(to me, at least) who is good enough to help you win games so long as you have a piece or two around him. That's what Goff has been this season. Rams have put a better o-line in front of him, gotten him some solid weapons, and they've won two football games thanks to that and his improvement under McVay. I had this exact same(well, similar I guess) argument with Raider fans in the off-season about Derek Carr. They got offended because I wouldn't use the word elite when talking about him, instead calling him a good quarterback. Like that's some kind of offensive statement. I guess it is with how the media treats the QBs these days. I'm not looking for anyone to call him elite, but serviceable means adequate. He's been more than that through the first three games. I don't know what he'll be after 16 games this year, but he's been more than serviceable thus far. You're basically arguing that any QB who isn't elite or terrible is serviceable. That's an overly broad definition. But whatever. I'm not interested in a debate over semantics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanLegend Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just now, jrry32 said: I'm not looking for anyone to call him elite, but serviceable means adequate. He's been more than that through the first three games. I don't know what he'll be after 16 games this year, but he's been more than serviceable thus far. You're basically arguing that any QB who isn't elite or terrible is serviceable. That's an overly broad definition. But whatever. I'm not interested in a debate over semantics. Nah, there's brackets/tiers for me. Elite, great, serviceable(interchangeable with good for me), average, bad, terrible/shouldn't be in the league. But yes, semantics is the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footbull3196 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Starless said: 41 points against a 49ers defense that held the Seahawks and Panthers without a TD is nothing to sneeze at. Lol @ claiming the 49ers defense held those teams without touchdowns, when in fact, the Seahawks did score a TD (just missed the extra point) and the Panthers scored 2 TDs against them. In fact, the Panthers have only scored 1 TD total since that game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 22 minutes ago, footbull3196 said: Lol @ claiming the 49ers defense held those teams without touchdowns, when in fact, the Seahawks did score a TD (just missed the extra point) and the Panthers scored 2 TDs against them. In fact, the Panthers have only scored 1 TD total since that game Whatever, man. 9 points is 9 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footbull3196 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just now, Starless said: Whatever, man. 9 points is 9 points. Um, it was 12 lol.... At least get your facts right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigInBoys Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 New coaching/system(Jeff Fisher is just a really really bad offensive coach by all accounts who's stuck in the past), new teammates, a year of growth as a player. Pretty much everything is different. Here are all of his passes vs. the 49ers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 2 hours ago, footbull3196 said: Lol @ claiming the 49ers defense held those teams without touchdowns, when in fact, the Seahawks did score a TD (just missed the extra point) and the Panthers scored 2 TDs against them. In fact, the Panthers have only scored 1 TD total since that game Does it change the fact that Russell Wilson and the Seahawks could only muster 12 points against that supposedly putrid defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footbull3196 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just now, jrry32 said: Does it change the fact that Russell Wilson and the Seahawks could only muster 12 points against that supposedly putrid defense? Wait I thought it was 9? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, footbull3196 said: Wait I thought it was 9? Should we set an alarm for when you plan on letting this go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footbull3196 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 16 minutes ago, Starless said: Should we set an alarm for when you plan on letting this go? Sorry, it's not often I get to have fun like this lol In all honesty, I couldnt think of a good response to Jrry's post so I just distracted from the issue instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamcanadian Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 I do not know how good Goff can get, but I do know all those doubts due to his rookie year were ridiculous. It usually takes 3 years before a QB can be deemed much of anything. Sure there are exceptions, but that is the general rule for most QB's. He is clearly showing vast improvement, but it will still take time to evaluate just how good he can become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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