AkronsWitness Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 3 hours ago, NateDawg said: The fact that we are basically relying on either scrubs or roster cuts to be getting starting LB minutes is an indictment of AB. At least make some sort of effort there. We basically just ran it back with the same bad players. He adressed the poor Safety play with McLeod and Thornhill and did the same for DL with Smith, Harris and Tomlinson--he just...never made a single move at LB lol The strangest part is that is the cheapest position of the 3 to fix. Hell I would be happy if they brought in a washed vet like Anthony Barr. Just show me something, anything, that your trying to improve and add some flavor to that position group 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 57 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said: He adressed the poor Safety play with McLeod and Thornhill and did the same for DL with Smith, Harris and Tomlinson--he just...never made a single move at LB lol The strangest part is that is the cheapest position of the 3 to fix. Hell I would be happy if they brought in a washed vet like Anthony Barr. Just show me something, anything, that your trying to improve and add some flavor to that position group I mean, it’s not hard to figure out why. Both he and I’m assuming Schwartz think out linebackers will be fine in his scheme. Whether that’s the case remains to be seen, but it’s not hard to figure out what’s happening. Schwartz has said himself his scheme isn’t terribly difficult for linebackers. They aren’t asked to do much in coverage other than play mostly zone and carry TEs to the S. Run fits are exactly that, but run defense is definitely more DL than LB imo. Or at least good DL play can make the LB job easy. Even @MWil23 who’s been as big of a hater as anyone re: our talent at linebacker has pointed out we were a full run fit short last season at times. That’s inexcusable and hard to mask. Also, it’s not 1994 any longer. I don’t think we’re gonna be playing a lot of 3 linebacker formations. Most teams base defense is some form of a nickel. I’d imagine we’re gonna see 3 CBS or 3 S a whole lot more that 3 LB. JOK and Walker are fine, Fields has flashed. Meh. If these guys are losing us games something else went terribly wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 minute ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: I mean, it’s not hard to figure out why. Both he and I’m assuming Schwartz think out linebackers will be fine in his scheme. Whether that’s the case remains to be seen, but it’s not hard to figure out what’s happening. Schwartz has said himself his scheme isn’t terribly difficult for linebackers. They aren’t asked to do much in coverage other than play mostly zone and carry TEs to the S. Run fits are exactly that, but run defense is definitely more DL than LB imo. Or at least good DL play can make the LB job easy. Even @MWil23 who’s been as big of a hater as anyone re: our talent at linebacker has pointed out we were a full run fit short last season at times. That’s inexcusable and hard to mask. Also, it’s not 1994 any longer. I don’t think we’re gonna be playing a lot of 3 linebacker formations. Most teams base defense is some form of a nickel. I’d imagine we’re gonna see 3 CBS or 3 S a whole lot more that 3 LB. JOK and Walker are fine, Fields has flashed. Meh. If these guys are losing us games something else went terribly wrong. We need to play JOK at apex, Walker at Mike, and Taki at SAM with JOK always in during nickel packages. The dude they have running with the first team now is extremely unathletic, as evidenced by his inability to run down Howell last week when he was spying him. I think we are in trouble vs teams like Baltimore and against mobile quarterbacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Just now, MWil23 said: We need to play JOK at apex, Walker at Mike, and Taki at SAM with JOK always in during nickel packages. The dude they have running with the first team now is extremely unathletic, as evidenced by his inability to run down Howell last week when he was spying him. I think we are in trouble vs teams like Baltimore and against mobile quarterbacks. Who’s with the ones? (I don’t watch preseason) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Who’s with the ones? (I don’t watch preseason) Jordan Kanaszyk 😑😑😑 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: I mean, it’s not hard to figure out why. Both he and I’m assuming Schwartz think out linebackers will be fine in his scheme. Whether that’s the case remains to be seen, but it’s not hard to figure out what’s happening. Schwartz has said himself his scheme isn’t terribly difficult for linebackers. They aren’t asked to do much in coverage other than play mostly zone and carry TEs to the S. Run fits are exactly that, but run defense is definitely more DL than LB imo. Or at least good DL play can make the LB job easy. Even @MWil23 who’s been as big of a hater as anyone re: our talent at linebacker has pointed out we were a full run fit short last season at times. That’s inexcusable and hard to mask. Also, it’s not 1994 any longer. I don’t think we’re gonna be playing a lot of 3 linebacker formations. Most teams base defense is some form of a nickel. I’d imagine we’re gonna see 3 CBS or 3 S a whole lot more that 3 LB. JOK and Walker are fine, Fields has flashed. Meh. If these guys are losing us games something else went terribly wrong. Good points. I just think about the best defenses in the league--Philly/SanFran/KC/Baltimore. They all have dudes at LB. Instinctual, fast and strong at the point of attack. It can be coached around but it certainly helps when you have good players, or at league above average players at those positions. They dont have to go out and draft blue chippers for that. They just need to get players with 1 trait they really excel at and insert them into that role. If its coverage, fine. If its hard hitting in gaps, cool. Play them on different downs. Edited August 17, 2023 by AkronsWitness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, MWil23 said: Jordan Kanaszyk 😑😑😑 Seriously? 😬 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said: Good points. I just think about the best defenses in the league--Philly/SanFran/KC/Baltimore. They all have dudes at LB. Instinctual, fast and strong at the point of attack. It can be coached around but it certainly helps when you have good players, or at league above average players at those positions. They dont have to go out and draft blue chippers for that. They just need to get players with 1 trait they really excel at and insert them into that role. If its coverage, fine. If its hard hitting in gaps, cool. Play them on different downs. I think they expect JOK to be “that dude”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgpoun8017 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Seriously? 😬 Schwartz is supposedly a big fan of his 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Dawgpoun8017 said: Schwartz is supposedly a big fan of his This gym shorts guy sounds like an idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgdish Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 #43 making a case to get LB reps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 Berry might have done a better job adding no-namers than he did drafting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 I remember when Browns fans freaked out over this guy leaving. He had more sacks in 1 year with us than the rest of his career totals combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 Not sure what the Browns do with Watkins but it will be interesting. Part of me believes it sends a bad message if somebody absolutly crushes their opportunities in TC/Preseason and not have them make the team. Otherwise what are we doing all this for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 The way Mo Hurst played is what they wanted to see out of Jordan Elliot this preseason 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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