Jameson_Neat Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, Specialist11 said: As @Xenos noted above, would love to hear a semi-knowledgeable take on Lombardi... good or bad. Orlovsky trashed him saying that they kept doing the same thing, without Lombardi knowing how to teach it, because it worked in NO. Golden Tate said defensive players would tell him on a weekly basis they knew the plays that were coming because the offense was so generic and bland. Lombardi was so bad that he made the Lions next below average OC, ol' Jim Bob, look like Andy Reid in comparison. But hey, some guys need to fail miserably before they can take the next step. Good luck. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 29 minutes ago, Specialist11 said: Hate to say it, but the Lombardi OC hire probably nudges me into the ambivalent camp on the Staley hiring. (Just given how important Herbert in the Chargers' long-term trajectory, versus any other factor). Have loved the acknowledgement of the Sloan MIT Conference and it seems like he did an incredible job with the Rams' defense. Further, he's said all the right things regarding modern QB-development and Herbert -- lots of "no square pegs in round holes" sorts of language. But, haven't read a single compelling defense of Lombardi since we've hired him. Frankly, haven't even seen a single piece of positive sentiment about him in general, and I've already been searching for longer than expected on this. Just seems like Lions fans absolutely despise him, and the McDaniels/McCoy/Gase case studies don't lend a lot of credence to the idea that his proximity to Brees is in any way a net-positive for future teams that hire him. As @Xenos noted above, would love to hear a semi-knowledgeable take on Lombardi... good or bad. A couple of things since I definitely agree about Lombardi as OC: 1) It’s not official yet. Schefter is implying more than saying that he has the job. Hence the use of “tracking.”Maybe he’ll be wrong again like he was with Daboll. I just really regret that we couldn’t get McDaniel or even O’Connell. 2) Since Staley is the HC, I hoping that Lombardi understands his philosophy about building the system for players especially Herbert vs the other way around. If Lombardi can be humbled and learned from his first failed stint, then it’s not impossible for him to be better on his second go around. Sean Payton, for example, was stripped of his play calling responsibilities when he was OC with the Giants. Most recently we had Frank Reich fail as our OC and then lead a rebirth during his time with Pederson. So it can happen with Lombardi if he works under the right HC, and most importantly if he’s willing to grow as a coach to be more flexible and creative. Like Payton. I know a lot of “Ifs” but that’s all I got right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearerofnews Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I mean Stafford's 1 probowl was under Lombardi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specialist11 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Bearerofnews said: I mean Stafford's 1 probowl was under Lombardi. Would not call Matthew Stafford's 2014 season particularly impressive by any means... Especially given his 2011 season and a couple other ones. Edited January 25, 2021 by Specialist11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearerofnews Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Specialist11 said: Would not call Matthew Stafford's 2014 season particularly impressive by any means... Especially given his 2011 season and a couple other ones. Yeah but i think the offensive philosophy played into having a top 3 defense. I don't think Caldwell needed a dynamic offense. I don't know what to make of 2015, he was fired early. They lit up Chargers D in a loss. Then faced #1, 4, 5 and 7 scoring defenses in a row and had a bad outing. Then lit up another below defense in the bears and then struggled vs a top 5 defense again. I wouldn't put too much stock into what he did in a 1.5 year stint with Detroit. Edited January 25, 2021 by Bearerofnews Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Bearerofnews said: Yeah but i think the offensive philosophy played into having a top 3 defense. I don't think Caldwell needed a dynamic offense. I don't know what to make of 2015, he was fired early. They lit up Chargers D in a loss. Then faced #1, 4, 5 and 7 scoring defenses in a row and had a bad outing. Then lit up another below defense in the bears and then struggled vs a top 5 defense again. I wouldn't put too much stock into what he did in a 1.5 year stint with Detroit. My concern with Lombardi was his inflexibility. He tried to make Detroit’s offense into the Saints. And then apparently talked trash about Stafford when he left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Specialist11 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Xenos said: Not able to watch the video yet, but this quote definitely makes me cringe a little bit. Interpreted not-generously, his philosophy just doesn't jive with what most real-world, elite NFL teams are doing right now to win. Interpreted more generously... he thinks offenses need to run the ball to maintain leads that they built up via passing. We have zero infrastructure for that between current our running-backs group and OL, but I guess I can see us working towards his vision. Where this gets sticky is we're essentially hoping that he's able to adjust to the roster *now* as it currently stands (a roster that is really bad at running the football, whose best running back by a mile is Austin Ekeler), versus what he wishes it was. I certainly get being able to win in multiple ways -- that can be important as a means of matching up against different kinds of teams. But that's not really the point he's trying to drive home here, unfortunately. Edited January 26, 2021 by Specialist11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramxel Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 37 minutes ago, Xenos said: Really liked his interview, and his general demeanor, same could be said about Staley's presser, but this is a results league, and above all it's a very competitive and high pressure league. Let's see when the ball starts rolling, what these guys are made of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Specialist11 said: Not able to watch the video yet, but this quote definitely makes me cringe a little bit. Interpreted not-generously, his philosophy just doesn't jive with what most real-world, elite NFL teams are doing right now to win. Interpreted more generously... he thinks offenses need to run the ball to maintain leads that they built up via passing. We have zero infrastructure for that between current our running-backs group and OL, but I guess I can see us working towards his vision. Where this gets sticky is we're essentially hoping that he's able to adjust to the roster *now* as it currently stands (a roster that is really bad at running the football, whose best running back by a mile is Austin Ekeler), versus what he wishes it was. I certainly get being able to win in multiple ways -- that can be important as a means of matching up against different kinds of teams. But that's not really the point he's trying to drive home here, unfortunately. I interpreted the quote differently. I think it’s important to understand what Lombardi said earlier about “balance”. Key words here being “harder to throw”. I think we saw that with the Bills this past weekend and the week before when you have no semblance of a running game unfortunately. The passing game should be our strength but we won’t get far if it’s the only thing we have. If we throw more on first downs and break our tendencies under Lynn, will it matter as much? Edited January 27, 2021 by Xenos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, kramxel said: Really liked his interview, and his general demeanor, same could be said about Staley's presser, but this is a results league, and above all it's a very competitive and high pressure league. Let's see when the ball starts rolling, what these guys are made of. Yup. Words are nice. But I want to see the aggressiveness that he and Staley are talking about using analytics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) Looks like Hill wants to blitz more, which will not only be different from what Bradley did but also Staley. Edited January 27, 2021 by Xenos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, Xenos said: Looks like Hill wants to blitz more, which will not only be different from what Bradley did but also Staley. Isn't Staley calling the plays? He brings pressure. It's just not the type of blitzing you see from uber-aggressive coordinators. It's generally games up front with maybe an extra rusher. But he confuses the hell out of protection schemes without blitzing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, jrry32 said: Isn't Staley calling the plays? He brings pressure. It's just not the type of blitzing you see from uber-aggressive coordinators. It's generally games up front with maybe an extra rusher. But he confuses the hell out of protection schemes without blitzing. Yes Staley will still be calling the plays. I just thought the tweet above and this one below is interesting and if it means anything for the future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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