RoellPreston88 Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 46 minutes ago, NormSizedMidget said: Sure it's had issues. But the point is he's getting praised for that trade when he was screwing up at that group before. But that's not the way it'll be portrayed at all but you guys Before HaHa the Packers were starting MD Jennings and others for quite some time. I would have praised TT if he had made a trade to improve this position. Acknowledging a mistake and looking to improve/fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 26 minutes ago, RoellPreston88 said: Before HaHa the Packers were starting MD Jennings and others for quite some time. I would have praised TT if he had made a trade to improve this position. Acknowledging a mistake and looking to improve/fix it. Fair enough. He also had a borderline star who's career should have never ended when it did. That doesn't justify him not fixing it soon enough. But again, you can pro con for days like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 4 hours ago, RoellPreston88 said: Before HaHa the Packers were starting MD Jennings and others for quite some time. I would have praised TT if he had made a trade to improve this position. Acknowledging a mistake and looking to improve/fix it. How many years did Nick Collins look like a miserable safety before he broke out? I mean, people act like we held onto players like MD Jennings for 5+ years. I think at most, Jennings was the one who stuck the longest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strat1080 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 13 minutes ago, CWood21 said: How many years did Nick Collins look like a miserable safety before he broke out? I mean, people act like we held onto players like MD Jennings for 5+ years. I think at most, Jennings was the one who stuck the longest. Nick Collins was one of the most athletically gifted Safeties to ever play in the NFL and was pretty raw coming into the NFL. The guy had elite speed and could actually run down some of the fastest guys in the NFL and make unbelievable breaks on the ball. He was actually a better center fielder than Earl Thomas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 21 minutes ago, strat1080 said: Nick Collins was one of the most athletically gifted Safeties to ever play in the NFL and was pretty raw coming into the NFL. The guy had elite speed and could actually run down some of the fastest guys in the NFL and make unbelievable breaks on the ball. He was actually a better center fielder than Earl Thomas. And he stunk out loud at first, that's all he's saying. If Nick never gets better someone could say they stuck with him too long, etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 This is just another discussion that's confounded by the fact that too many guys have gotten hurt. Randall and Rollins have excellent rookie years and then come out last year with a season ending injury for Randall and several other constant nagging injuries for Rollins including an incident where he was carted off the field. I cannot say this enough: fire the strength and conditioning staff. The philosophy is not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, Joe said: This is just another discussion that's confounded by the fact that too many guys have gotten hurt. Randall and Rollins have excellent rookie years and then come out last year with a season ending injury for Randall and several other constant nagging injuries for Rollins including an incident where he was carted off the field. I cannot say this enough: fire the strength and conditioning staff. The philosophy is not working. How long ago did they do this? They didn't outside hire though, I know they tried all this new age this and that too. They can all get canned, but I think we tried to change stuff up and same damn crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Just now, NormSizedMidget said: How long did they do this? They didn't outside hire though, I know they tried all this new age this and that too. They can all get canned, but I think we tried to change stuff up and same damn crap. That's the ultimate problem. You can send a bad employee, or one that's a bad fit for your company, to continuing education in the hope that they'll learn some new stuff and turn it around; but at the end of the day, you'll be lucky if their performance is better than a marginal improvement... Admittedly, that last bit is personal experience as I've been on both sides of the coin. It's rough, but it's quite the learning experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Just now, Joe said: That's the ultimate problem. You can send a bad employee, or one that's a bad fit for your company, to continuing education in the hope that they'll learn some new stuff and turn it around; but at the end of the day, you'll be lucky if their performance is better than a marginal improvement... Admittedly, that last bit is personal experience as I've been on both sides of the coin. It's rough, but it's quite the learning experience. I wonder how much is how we practice bc of how Mike wants to plus the new CBA stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Just now, NormSizedMidget said: I wonder how much is how we practice bc of how Mike wants to plus the new CBA stuff. That's a great point and a point of concern for the 31 other teams, but a good S&C staff can get around most of those issues. Ours cannot. A more direct concern here is the kind of injuries we've sustained. It's not as if one guy has a bum knee, another with an elbow problem, and one with a shoulder or neck concern. It's a rash of hammy issues in particular, which screams that those players just aren't in proper condition; and it's not due to laziness either...JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 44 minutes ago, Joe said: That's a great point and a point of concern for the 31 other teams, but a good S&C staff can get around most of those issues. Ours cannot. A more direct concern here is the kind of injuries we've sustained. It's not as if one guy has a bum knee, another with an elbow problem, and one with a shoulder or neck concern. It's a rash of hammy issues in particular, which screams that those players just aren't in proper condition; and it's not due to laziness either...JMO Is it even a lot of hammys this go round? I don't ever pay attention that close, but I thought we didn't have many hammys this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
th87 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 7 hours ago, CWood21 said: How many years did Nick Collins look like a miserable safety before he broke out? I mean, people act like we held onto players like MD Jennings for 5+ years. I think at most, Jennings was the one who stuck the longest. ? Nick Collins showed flashes in year 1, took a step back in year 2, but closed out strong, and a budding star after. This also happened during rebuilding years (Sherman's GTFO season and year 1 of MM). M.D. Jennings never really showed flashes, and played extensively in years we were contenders. The situations are in no way comparable, and would have warranted completely different approaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReadyToThump Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 7 hours ago, NormSizedMidget said: And he stunk out loud at first, that's all he's saying. If Nick never gets better someone could say they stuck with him too long, etc etc. You never really regret holding onto players with Collins caliber of athleticism/talent is what strat was saying... especially if you compare that trait of his to the other's we ultimately failed on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 3 hours ago, ReadyToThump said: You never really regret holding onto players with Collins caliber of athleticism/talent is what strat was saying... especially if you compare that trait of his to the other's we ultimately failed on. Purely running numbers, McMillian and Collins are very close athletically. Not saying that you're wrong, but this isn't so cut and dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantyWrestler Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 I think this probably fits here. Would it be a good move for Ted Thompson to have traded for Kelvin Benjamin? We may have an extra third round pick and always end up with at least one seventh in the draft. Is he a player who could help this receiving corps and would you have paid a 3 and 7 for him? also, a 4th for Ajayi, would you? Do we have the players on our roster after Jones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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