The Trashing of Cousins

[Slateman]

Lol, some of you are hilarious. Have we not seen the last ten years with the Skins cap games? Cap space isn't an issue in the NFL.

Garoppolo's contract is up at the end of the season. The rest of the games are just a long tryout for him. 49ers can let him walk and sign Cousins.

Jacksonville has the best defense in the NFL and a good Online. Perfect place for Cousins.

Denver has a top defense and needs a QB.

The Jets have decent building blocks and a good QB would make them competitive.

 

Four teams, right there, who will be willing to pay. Cousins' deal will set records, particularly if he finishes the season as well as he's playing now

[Thaiphoon]

3 minutes ago, Slateman said:

Lol, some of you are hilarious. Have we not seen the last ten years with the Skins cap games? Cap space isn't an issue in the NFL.

Garoppolo's contract is up at the end of the season. The rest of the games are just a long tryout for him. 49ers can let him walk and sign Cousins.

Jacksonville has the best defense in the NFL and a good Online. Perfect place for Cousins.

Denver has a top defense and needs a QB.

The Jets have decent building blocks and a good QB would make them competitive.

 

Four teams, right there, who will be willing to pay. Cousins' deal will set records, particularly if he finishes the season as well as he's playing now

Completely agree. Cousins has quite a few options on where to go next year. I don't think he'd want to go to the Jets but if they made a great offer, I could see him do it. Denver or Jax makes the most sense if he wants to win soon. 49ers make sense if he wants to be further developed.

[Ghostnote]

58 minutes ago, Slateman said:

Lol, some of you are hilarious. Have we not seen the last ten years with the Skins cap games? Cap space isn't an issue in the NFL.

Garoppolo's contract is up at the end of the season. The rest of the games are just a long tryout for him. 49ers can let him walk and sign Cousins.

Jacksonville has the best defense in the NFL and a good Online. Perfect place for Cousins.

Denver has a top defense and needs a QB.

The Jets have decent building blocks and a good QB would make them competitive.

 

Four teams, right there, who will be willing to pay. Cousins' deal will set records, particularly if he finishes the season as well as he's playing now

Most teams dont give a 2nd round pick for a player in his 4th year on a tryout. Why not wait for the season to end considering you drafted Beathard in the 3rd? That makes no sense and draft picks are worth a pretty penny these days, so getting Garoppolo for a 2nd without a lot of compensation otherwise is favorable. 

I agree that Cousins could easily swing to Jacksonville and make that team really competitive in the AFC South. 

According to spotrac.com: 2018 potential salary cap space

Rank   Team                              Signed    Age         Active                Dead              Adj.    Total Cap          Remaining

1	Indianapolis Colts	33	25.61	$99,008,077	$1,779,425	$0	$100,787,502	$67,212,498
2	New York Jets	40	25.85	$111,411,104	$2,132,668	$0	$113,543,772	$54,456,228
3	San Francisco 49ers	48	26.29	$101,701,980	$14,862,565	$0	$116,564,545	$51,435,455
4	Washington Redskins	38	26.29	$117,631,078	$452,606	$0	$118,083,684	$49,916,316
5	Los Angeles Rams	40	25.68	$118,211,590	$222,699	$0	$118,434,289	$49,565,711
6	Cleveland Browns	44	25.39	$114,408,659	$4,843,638	$0	$119,252,297	$48,747,703
7	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	35	26.46	$121,536,718	$824,831	$0	$122,361,549	$45,638,451
8	Detroit Lions	38	25.95	$119,245,565	$6,208,290	$0	$125,453,855	$42,546,145
9	Minnesota Vikings	39	26.15	$125,576,903	$653,111	$0	$126,230,014	$41,769,986
10	Houston Texans	38	25.82	$127,035,692	$392,368	$0	$127,428,060	$40,571,940
11	Chicago Bears	35	26.77	$133,685,092	$1,208,712	$0	$134,893,804	$33,106,196
12	New Orleans Saints	44	26.35	$130,009,626	$6,938,972	$0	$136,948,598	$31,051,402
13	Arizona Cardinals	30	28.43	$142,013,311	$609,814	$0	$142,623,125	$25,376,875
14	Buffalo Bills	33	27.39	$128,175,532	$18,681,120	$0	$146,856,652	$21,143,348
15	Cincinnati Bengals	47	26.47	$147,299,836	$600,555	$0	$147,900,391	$20,099,609
16	New York Giants	42	26.19	$147,869,465	$358,907	$0	$148,228,372	$19,771,628
17	Los Angeles Chargers	39	26.23	$143,811,033	$4,682,764	$0	$148,493,797	$19,506,203
18	Green Bay Packers	40	26.15	$148,126,262	$518,508	$0	$148,644,770	$19,355,230
19	Tennessee Titans	44	27.2	$152,408,955	$414,458	$0	$152,823,413	$15,176,587
20	Denver Broncos	39	26.74	$154,143,038	$316,604	$0	$154,459,642	$13,540,358
21	New England Patriots	46	27.3	$155,716,030	$948,747	$0	$156,664,777	$11,335,223
22	Dallas Cowboys	38	26.13	$145,638,813	$13,674,079	$0	$159,312,892	$8,687,108
23	Miami Dolphins	38	26.26	$160,171,874	$131,020	$0	$160,302,894	$7,697,106
24	Carolina Panthers	40	27.43	$157,966,838	$2,631,233	$0	$160,598,071	$7,401,929
25	Seattle Seahawks	38	26.57	$156,884,731	$3,802,136	$0	$160,686,867	$7,313,133
26	Atlanta Falcons	38	26.95	$160,406,905	$1,802,770	$0	$162,209,675	$5,790,325
27	Oakland Raiders	41	26.56	$161,922,455	$1,959,391	$0	$163,881,846	$4,118,154

 

The rest of the teams are in a negative status, which includes Jacksonville. 

The bolded teams are teams that have a potential to land Cousins. I did not bold the Niners because of the Jimmy G trade. 

You also have to figure in the draft picks which is around $5M. So that likely takes Arizona, New Orleans, Denver, and Buffalo out of the mix. Which still leaves Minnesota, Cleveland and the NY Jets. Out of those 3, Minnesota is the only viable option considering they have a solid core team. That is assuming that Kirk makes $25M a year. 

He goes to Cleveland, it was all about the money, always. He goes to the Jets, he wants the spotlight and money. He goes to Minnesota, he wants to win. 

He stays in D.C. voluntarily...? Then he wanted to be here, but Jesus was right when he told Kirk to take 1 year deals. 

[lavar703]

I'll say one thing, if Kirk leaves we should just tank next year. Deal everyone away. Go into full rebuild mode with a new GM. Start over the right way. Stop doing halfway rebuilds. 

[Doc Draper]

Why wait? Seriously, we are in a great position to tank now. We should have traded Trent and Reed earlier in the week

[Doc Draper]

We aren’t going to the playoffs. We have lots of injuries. We will lose our starting qb for a comp pick. When the titanic hit the iceberg the smart people knew to cash out. Holding on now is really short sided. Always turn negatives to positives. Why fight like hell to finish 7-9. Suck now, finish 5-11, get a great set of picks and fight another day

 

but we will never win with Allen and gruden. It’s just a fact. Tank, clear the deck and position the Redskins for the success the fans deserve

 

[Dashing202]

Minnesota probably .

 

[Woz]

17 hours ago, mike23md said:

Most teams dont give a 2nd round pick for a player in his 4th year on a tryout. Why not wait for the season to end considering you drafted Beathard in the 3rd?

If you trade for him, you get him directly. If you wait for the season to end, you have to bid on him with other teams. You don't want to find yourself in a "Bears sign Mike Glennon" or even worse "Texans sign Brock Osweiler" situation.

The 49ers traded for an exclusive evaluation of Garoppolo. All the NFL (outside of New England) has seen of Jimmy G effectively is the first two games of 2016 (no, preseason doesn't really count). Outside of those two games, he has attempted 35 passes. Granted, he looked good in those two games against Arizona and Miami, but that's putting a lot of hope on a very small sample set.

It's entirely possible (likely even) that he'll re-sign with San Francisco. But there is still the chance that he turns out to be fool's gold outside of New England. There is also the chance he sees what exists in San Fran and says "yeah, I'll take my chances on the open market." Yes, the Niners could in turn franchise him, but that might negate the Cousins option. I say "might" there because as you point out they do have $51M+ in cap space. It would be somewhat nutty to burn all of that on a pair of QBs, but it's still possible.

[Ghostnote]

5 hours ago, Woz said:

If you trade for him, you get him directly. If you wait for the season to end, you have to bid on him with other teams. You don't want to find yourself in a "Bears sign Mike Glennon" or even worse "Texans sign Brock Osweiler" situation.

The 49ers traded for an exclusive evaluation of Garoppolo. All the NFL (outside of New England) has seen of Jimmy G effectively is the first two games of 2016 (no, preseason doesn't really count). Outside of those two games, he has attempted 35 passes. Granted, he looked good in those two games against Arizona and Miami, but that's putting a lot of hope on a very small sample set.

It's entirely possible (likely even) that he'll re-sign with San Francisco. But there is still the chance that he turns out to be fool's gold outside of New England. There is also the chance he sees what exists in San Fran and says "yeah, I'll take my chances on the open market." Yes, the Niners could in turn franchise him, but that might negate the Cousins option. I say "might" there because as you point out they do have $51M+ in cap space. It would be somewhat nutty to burn all of that on a pair of QBs, but it's still possible.

What I was saying was, a 2nd round pick does not get dealt for a tryout. You know what you are trading for. John Lynch knew what he was trading for. They have seen his tape and understand what he brings to the table. Shanahan can see him succeeding in his system, so yes, trading for him now gets him directly and the Niners can use their cap money to build a better team outside of the draft. 

[Woz]

15 hours ago, mike23md said:

What I was saying was, a 2nd round pick does not get dealt for a tryout. You know what you are trading for. John Lynch knew what he was trading for. They have seen his tape and understand what he brings to the table. Shanahan can see him succeeding in his system, so yes, trading for him now gets him directly and the Niners can use their cap money to build a better team outside of the draft. 

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/255435/why-the-49ers-are-taking-it-slow-before-starting-jimmy-garoppolo

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On Wednesday, Shanahan reiterated his plan to evaluate Garoppolo's state of readiness on a week-to-week basis while keeping perspective on the overall goal of having him as the quarterback for the future.

"I can't promise you guys that he won't play this week," Shanahan said. "I can't promise you guys that he'll play this year. I know that we have a guy that we're excited about and I know has the ability to really help us and help this team in the future. That's what I mean by [saying] we didn't do this to just save this year. We did this because we feel this will improve our team and our organization. I'm not going to put someone out there who I don't think has a chance to be successful."

Granted, this is a Shanahan speaking so take everything he says with a ton of salt. But what happens if Garoppolo in fact doesn't play this year? Have to think that if you're Jimmy, it's one thing to be stuck behind Tom Brady. That's understandable, though irksome. But to be stuck behind C.J. Beathard, a 3rd round rookie from Iowa? You don't think he'll say "thanks guys, I'm walking?" Keep in mind that part of the reason that Baby Shan is saying this is due to the playbook, which we know is somewhat dense (Kyle apparently still hasn't realized that this is not a good thing).

There's also the second possibility: given the state of the 49ers offensive line (like ours in terms of health, but with even a lower talent base to start from), what happens if Garoppolo gets thwacked somewhat hard and misses most of the season due to injury? Maybe Jimmy sees how far they have to go and decides to leave.

Now, a columnist in The Mercury News has games it out as a 99.9% chance that Garoppolo starting by Thanksgiving (versus Seattle). http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/11/02/jimmy-garoppolo-start-play-will-he-fantasy-football-san-francisco-49ers-trade-contract-salary-week-8-eight-rankings (I don't know anything about this guy, so I cannot comment on his reliability). Said columnist also puts it at better than 50-50 that Jimmy is starting next week against the Giants, but that it will depend on Beathard's performance against the Cardinals tomorrow. That of course leads to the third possibility: when he plays, he looks like crap (whether due to lack of talent on the 49ers, injuries on the 49ers, learning a new system on the fly, or just having had his limitations masked by New England is up in the air). The 49ers, having paid a high cost draft wise, will likely try to keep him, but not at NFL starter price (or perhaps a contract with a one year bail out provision). Does Garoppolo take that deal?

Admittedly, the likely outcome for this situation is that Garoppolo stays in San Francisco with a new deal and is the anointed started heading into 2018 for the 49ers. This in turn closes one major option off for Cousins. However, there are still 8 weeks remaining in the season and things can change. Call it maybe no more than a 20% chance, but I wouldn't discard San Francisco as a landing spot for Kirk just yet. We'll get a better sense by the end of this month.

[Ghostnote]

4 hours ago, Woz said:

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/255435/why-the-49ers-are-taking-it-slow-before-starting-jimmy-garoppolo

Granted, this is a Shanahan speaking so take everything he says with a ton of salt. But what happens if Garoppolo in fact doesn't play this year? Have to think that if you're Jimmy, it's one thing to be stuck behind Tom Brady. That's understandable, though irksome. But to be stuck behind C.J. Beathard, a 3rd round rookie from Iowa? You don't think he'll say "thanks guys, I'm walking?" Keep in mind that part of the reason that Baby Shan is saying this is due to the playbook, which we know is somewhat dense (Kyle apparently still hasn't realized that this is not a good thing).

There's also the second possibility: given the state of the 49ers offensive line (like ours in terms of health, but with even a lower talent base to start from), what happens if Garoppolo gets thwacked somewhat hard and misses most of the season due to injury? Maybe Jimmy sees how far they have to go and decides to leave.

Now, a columnist in The Mercury News has games it out as a 99.9% chance that Garoppolo starting by Thanksgiving (versus Seattle). http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/11/02/jimmy-garoppolo-start-play-will-he-fantasy-football-san-francisco-49ers-trade-contract-salary-week-8-eight-rankings (I don't know anything about this guy, so I cannot comment on his reliability). Said columnist also puts it at better than 50-50 that Jimmy is starting next week against the Giants, but that it will depend on Beathard's performance against the Cardinals tomorrow. That of course leads to the third possibility: when he plays, he looks like crap (whether due to lack of talent on the 49ers, injuries on the 49ers, learning a new system on the fly, or just having had his limitations masked by New England is up in the air). The 49ers, having paid a high cost draft wise, will likely try to keep him, but not at NFL starter price (or perhaps a contract with a one year bail out provision). Does Garoppolo take that deal? [1]

Admittedly, the likely outcome for this situation is that Garoppolo stays in San Francisco with a new deal and is the anointed started heading into 2018 for the 49ers. This in turn closes one major option off for Cousins. However, there are still 8 weeks remaining in the season and things can change. Call it maybe no more than a 20% chance, but I wouldn't discard San Francisco as a landing spot for Kirk just yet. We'll get a better sense by the end of this month.[2]

 

[1]Garoppolo could get the deal that Glennon got and be just fine with it. I can see the Niners overpaying for that. Hell Bradford has made himself rich by being available and just more than marginal. Eagles gave him a lot of money. They also gave Chase Daniel a lot of money to never play a down. 

[2] I think there is <5% chance San Francisco pursues Cousins in the off season. 

[ripsean21]

Can I just say it makes me sad we’re talking about tanking!!! Yes the injuries suck but foreal we’ve lost 10 starters. We aren’t that far if just one time we could just stay healthy. I don’t think we have that losing culture attitude in the locker anymore. Yes Kirk has deficiencies but there’s nothing one awesome game against Seattle can’t change!!! If he finds a way to take shots to Josh and he can get Thompson going. Yes come 8 tonight I might be angry but I don’t think we’re far off whether it’s Kirk or a rookie Gruden likes. This team isn’t bad. We just need to stop losing half our starting lineup every week

[Woz]

21 hours ago, mike23md said:

[1]Garoppolo could get the deal that Glennon got and be just fine with it. I can see the Niners overpaying for that. Hell Bradford has made himself rich by being available and just more than marginal. Eagles gave him a lot of money. They also gave Chase Daniel a lot of money to never play a down. 

[2] I think there is <5% chance San Francisco pursues Cousins in the off season. 

I'm not sure Garoppolo would be happy with a Glennon-like deal. Depending on what happened with Alex Smith and Cousins, he likely would have been the #1 or #2 best free agent QB in the market in March. I could see him maybe testing the market.

I do agree with your odds. However, they are non-zero odds, but a long shot. Like I said earlier, we're in violent agreement.

[Woz]

2 hours ago, ripsean21 said:

Can I just say it makes me sad we’re talking about tanking!!! Yes the injuries suck but foreal we’ve lost 10 starters.

Yes. If the team has nominally lost half of its starters, they really should be looking to the next season. It's not necessarily tanking as much as realizing that between the downgrade in talent due to injuries and the double loss to the Eagles (along with the loss to the Cowboys), the Redskins need to realize that this isn't the year.

Given where the team is, worrying about draft position makes more sense.

2 hours ago, ripsean21 said:

We aren’t that far if just one time we could just stay healthy.

I don't know that we're that close. The wide receiver corps is a mess and we have no running game. Need some help in the interior of the offensive line.

The defense is better, but the front seven is still somewhat thin talent wise.

Arguably, had they been healthy, the team is likely a #1 wildcard.

3 hours ago, ripsean21 said:

I don’t think we have that losing culture attitude in the locker anymore.

Not sure being realistic would qualify as a "losing culture." There's only so much a team can do when the entire offensive line are backups.

3 hours ago, ripsean21 said:

We just need to stop losing half our starting lineup every week

Nothing that can be done on that front. It's just luck.

[ripsean21]

53 minutes ago, Woz said:

Yes. If the team has nominally lost half of its starters, they really should be looking to the next season. It's not necessarily tanking as much as realizing that between the downgrade in talent due to injuries and the double loss to the Eagles (along with the loss to the Cowboys), the Redskins need to realize that this isn't the year.

Given where the team is, worrying about draft position makes more sense.

I don't know that we're that close. The wide receiver corps is a mess and we have no running game. Need some help in the interior of the offensive line.

The defense is better, but the front seven is still somewhat thin talent wise.

Arguably, had they been healthy, the team is likely a #1 wildcard.

Not sure being realistic would qualify as a "losing culture." There's only so much a team can do when the entire offensive line are backups.

Nothing that can be done on that front. It's just luck.

I get that but players don’t play to tank they just play. I would love a stud player but I would also love to see Kirk show some faith in these taller receivers to make some plays because today he really has no choice unless he’s going to checkdown all day because he’d rather lose with no picks then win with a INT.