JAF-N72EX Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 On 9/2/2021 at 3:34 PM, dll2000 said: On 8/31/2021 at 9:53 PM, JAF-N72EX said: Rookies generally struggle in year 1 but when Fields does eventually start and has a productive season then I want everyone who spent an entire offseason bitching about Fields not getting #1 reps to remember they did so and how it didn't matter in the end. Because I didn't see anything that suggests he will struggle with 1s when it's his time to take over. That isn't the point Then what else is there to worry about? The ultimate end goal is Fields' succeeding and putting an end to this miserable run of QBs, regardless of how he gets there. Who gives a damn about the amount of reps he takes with Arob, the easter bunny, or myself just as long he reaches that goal, right? On 9/2/2021 at 3:34 PM, dll2000 said: Imagine it was you. Would you rather have the practice time with your offense with the 1s or just have to go out and play on a moments notice when number 1 fails after you have been running scout team for weeks? I wouldn't care either way, just as long as I get to the level that I'm aiming for. It's about reaching a goal....not the process that it takes to get there. But I'm not in the NFL player either. I don't know what it's like to be an NFL player, nor do I know how the Bears staff operate behind close doors and how it affects each person individually for better or worse, and neither do you or any other fan. So I'm not playing this hypothetical game. On 9/2/2021 at 3:34 PM, dll2000 said: If practice reps and timing isn't important to season and game preparation then why does Dalton need it? For the same reason Fields does.....because he's new. The QB position is not just plug n play. Also, There's no need to sensationalize your point. I don't think anyone has ever said rep and game prep aren't important. At least I'm not anyway, nor have I read anything even close to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 On 8/31/2021 at 9:53 PM, JAF-N72EX said: Rookies generally struggle in year 1 but when Fields does eventually start and has a productive season then I want everyone who spent an entire offseason bitching about Fields not getting #1 reps to remember they did so and how it didn't matter in the end. Because I didn't see anything that suggests he will struggle with 1s when it's his time to take over. Stats thru 1H Wilson: 6/16, 84 yds, 0TD, 1INT, 1FUM, 5.3 ypa, 29.3 QBR, 3 sacks T Law: 10/21, 133 yds, 1TD, 2INT, 0FUM, 6.3 ypa, 44.4 QBR, 0 sacks Those #1 reps are sure paying off so far. Mind you, this is against the vaunted Panther and Texan defenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 2 hours ago, JAF-N72EX said: Stats thru 1H Wilson: 6/16, 84 yds, 0TD, 1INT, 1FUM, 5.3 ypa, 29.3 QBR, 3 sacks T Law: 10/21, 133 yds, 1TD, 2INT, 0FUM, 6.3 ypa, 44.4 QBR, 0 sacks Those #1 reps are sure paying off so far. Mind you, this is against the vaunted Panther and Texan defenses. But on the contrary, these games today won't hinder them from being good pros. It's not like this day will ruin either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 3 hours ago, JAF-N72EX said: Stats thru 1H Wilson: 6/16, 84 yds, 0TD, 1INT, 1FUM, 5.3 ypa, 29.3 QBR, 3 sacks T Law: 10/21, 133 yds, 1TD, 2INT, 0FUM, 6.3 ypa, 44.4 QBR, 0 sacks Those #1 reps are sure paying off so far. Mind you, this is against the vaunted Panther and Texan defenses. Mind you, these two teams were drafting first and second this year for a reason too... lol They combined to win 3 games last year. I'd be shocked if Brady or Mahomes wouldn't struggle in half the games in their spots 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 On 9/12/2021 at 6:14 PM, Sugashane said: Mind you, these two teams were drafting first and second this year for a reason too... lol But I was told #1 reps and snaps in real time games made QBs better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 43 minutes ago, JAF-N72EX said: But I was told #1 reps and snaps in real time games made QBs better. So you're saying they would have performed better had they not had those reps? Or simply that reps are irrelevant? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 On 9/12/2021 at 4:14 PM, Sugashane said: Mind you, these two teams were drafting first and second this year for a reason too... lol They combined to win 3 games last year. I'd be shocked if Brady or Mahomes wouldn't struggle in half the games in their spots Yeah, I'm not sure that's a fair comparison either but after one game the Nagy/Dalton pairing has proven no different than any of the other Nagy/Vet QB pairings of the past three years either. If we can't put more than 14 points on the board with Dalton just how many games can we win with him? You really don't have to look to much farther than the TD Fields did score. He runs an RPO that looked a little hinky from the start with only one blocker in front of him and a LB drawing a bead on him. Fields speed alone left the LB flat footed and he scored. Without that we settle for a FG and lose 34-10. Aaron Rodgers had a losing record his first year as a starter too but anyone could see he was capable of producing what others could not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share Posted September 14, 2021 On 9/12/2021 at 1:44 PM, JAF-N72EX said: Stats thru 1H Wilson: 6/16, 84 yds, 0TD, 1INT, 1FUM, 5.3 ypa, 29.3 QBR, 3 sacks T Law: 10/21, 133 yds, 1TD, 2INT, 0FUM, 6.3 ypa, 44.4 QBR, 0 sacks Those #1 reps are sure paying off so far. Mind you, this is against the vaunted Panther and Texan defenses. Right better they should play without practicing or gaining experience. By that plan I should be ready to be all pro QB soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 NAME SEASON TM GP CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG YDS/G TD TD% INT INT% SCK SCKY RATE Jordan Love 2021 GB 1 5 7 71.4 68 9.7 68.0 0 0.0 0 0.0 1 4 102.1 Zach Wilson 2021 NYJ 1 20 37 54.1 258 7.0 258.0 2 5.4 1 2.7 6 51 82.9 Justin Fields 2021 CHI 1 2 2 100.0 10 5.0 10.0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 87.5 Mac Jones 2021 NE 1 29 39 74.4 281 7.2 281.0 1 2.6 0 0.0 1 13 102.6 Trey Lance 2021 SF 1 1 1 100.0 5 5.0 5.0 1 100.0 0 0.0 0 0 127.1 Trevor Lawrence 2021 JAX 1 28 51 54.9 332 6.5 332.0 3 5.9 3 5.9 1 13 70.1 I'm counting Love since he never took a pass last year, and is essentially a rivals redshirt rookie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Nagy really took some online heat today when he implied he would keep using Fields as a "chess piece" running a few gadget plays instead of starting him. There are more and more people coming to the conclusion that Nagy is off his phuc'n rocker sitting in his office scheming out trick plays for Fields to run. If Fields gets injured running something like that Nagy and his family should move to an undisclosed location, and fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 A once in a generational prospect and Wilson have 6 months of "1st team reps" and both start week 1 and both QBS regressed in week 2. Fields comes in with no prep and outplays both of them. Damn......those reps and starts really helped... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 7 hours ago, JAF-N72EX said: A once in a generational prospect and Wilson have 6 months of "1st team reps" and both start week 1 and both QBS regressed in week 2. Fields comes in with no prep and outplays both of them. Damn......those reps and starts really helped... You arguing practice and experience doesn’t matter for a QB is weird. You are too smart for that. Practice makes you better. Examples of people doing poorly despite practicing or doing good despite not practicing is not convincing. Every single one of us knows that you need practice and experience to get better at things. That is part of human experience. If Fields had to start this week would you not practice him? Or would you have him take mental reps? Of course he would get every rep. Why would you do that if it doesn’t help? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 14 hours ago, JAF-N72EX said: A once in a generational prospect and Wilson have 6 months of "1st team reps" and both start week 1 and both QBS regressed in week 2. Fields comes in with no prep and outplays both of them. Damn......those reps and starts really helped... But this is kind of apples vs oranges vs bananas isn't it? JAX is not the Bears nor are the Jets the Bears. I know the media loves to use stats to compare players but IMHO that's way too subjective when talking about different players on different teams. I would accept a comparison of Dalton vs Fields running the Bears offense but how do we know what success either Wilson or Lawrence would have running the Bears offense? We really don't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 On 9/16/2021 at 9:01 PM, Sugashane said: I'm counting Love since he never took a pass last year, and is essentially a rivals redshirt rookie. noooo. You've been in league for a year you had best possible training. You should be ready to Mahomes MVP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, dll2000 said: noooo. You've been in league for a year you had best possible training. You should be ready to Mahomes MVP Lets just put Fields on IR so we can do the same and not ruin him. /sarcasm One of my issues is that OL, DL, and most positions have the same responsibilities regardless of doing scout team or rotating in - beat the guy across from you. Being second team often means you're going against starters so you could argue its an advantage in a way. When you step in the bulk of your job is similar. QBs aren't out to beat the guy across from them though. Its a fines and skill position that requires multiple reads and timing. Throwing a post to ARob, Mooney, and and Kmet are all different. If an OL needs reps to get in sync then how the hell does a QB not need that with his receivers? It makes zero sense. Knowing a playbook, seeing coverages from the eagles eye, etc all help. Mental reps absolutely are something. But if that was enough you'd see a lot of back ups stepping in with little issue. There's a reason McCown's streak, Foles postseason run, and other similar scenarios are remarkable - because they're outliers. You see starters have great games and stretches of play but you don't normally see back ups in that position. Reps are a reason, even the best want the reps for a reason. Tell Mahomes or Brady that hes taking mental reps for the week. Idk how Mahomes would react but at minimum he'd be pissed I'd wager. Brady would cuss you out and take the reps anyway. Lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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