Packer_ESP Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, Sandy said: Do you think someone like Zack Ertz would have fumbled the way Lewis did? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ErtzZa00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LewiMa00.htm Lewis has 5 career fumbles in 16 years (counting the one in the playoffs this year, his first with the Packers). Ertz also has 5 career fumbles in 10 years. I give them both about equal chances to fumble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Packer_ESP said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/receiving_advanced.htm Lazard had 1 drop on the year for a 1.7 drop percentage. Don't make up stuff please. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/packers/.amp/news/green-bay-packers-tough-decisions-allen-lazard "He did have three drops, giving him a drop rate of 7.0 percent that was the worst among the Big 4 receivers but not all that far off the league median of 5.4 percent." yes, please don't make stuff up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Packer_ESP said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ErtzZa00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LewiMa00.htm Lewis has 5 career fumbles in 16 years (counting the one in the playoffs this year, his first with the Packers). Ertz also has 5 career fumbles in 10 years. I give them both about equal chances to fumble. Ertz has over 200 more career touches. Stop skewing statistics it's a bad look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packer_ESP Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sandy said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/packers/.amp/news/green-bay-packers-tough-decisions-allen-lazard "He did have three drops, giving him a drop rate of 7.0 percent that was the worst among the Big 4 receivers but not all that far off the league median of 5.4 percent." yes, please don't make stuff up. Lazard has 60 targets on the year, tell me again how 3 drops are 7% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Packer_ESP said: Lazard has 60 targets on the year, tell me again how 3 drops are 7% Because drop rate is not based off targets...? You add catches and drops and then divide the drops by that number which gives Lazard a drop rate of 6.97%. So I do apologize I cheated him .03%. Admittedly I don't know which three drops are being counted. Maybe another publication thinks he had 1 or another thinks he had 5. But don't go trying to claim people are making up statistics when they're pulling from real sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packer_ESP Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Sandy said: Because drop rate is not based off targets...? You add catches and drops and then divide the drops by that number which gives Lazard a drop rate of 6.97%. So I do apologize I cheated him .03%. Admittedly I don't know which three drops are being counted. Maybe another publication thinks he had 1 or another thinks he had 5. But don't go trying to claim people are making up statistics when they're pulling from real sources. You didn't pull from sources, you said "he struggled all year with drops". I hardly see how 3 drops is struggling all year and justifies ignoring him in the playoffs with the game on the line but maybe that's just me. Also, you're 100% correct about the percentage, not all targets count. My bad, sorry. Edited February 19, 2022 by Packer_ESP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Just now, Packer_ESP said: You didn't pull from years sources, you said "he struggled all year with drops". I hardly see how 3 drops is struggling all year and justifies ignoring him in the playoffs with the game on the line but maybe that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packer_ESP Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 16 hours ago, Sandy said: Yes, Rodgers didn't look at a wide open Lazard late...but he has good reason not to bother looking his way since he struggled to get open and had trouble with drops all season. whatever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Packer_ESP said: whatever Great QBs also ignore wide open WRs in huge moments because they might drop the ball or might not be open. Might as well play with ten on offense I guess 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Packer_ESP said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ErtzZa00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LewiMa00.htm Lewis has 5 career fumbles in 16 years (counting the one in the playoffs this year, his first with the Packers). Ertz also has 5 career fumbles in 10 years. I give them both about equal chances to fumble. That was flukey as hell and a great play by the defense. You can't look at that one play and think oh crap we lost because we didn't have a different player, not that a better TE wouldn't help. He's confusing so many things. There's nobody was like oh man is Lewis catches a pass this game he might fumble!!! **** happens At least you could see the future with the ST **** ups because we'd seen them before. But we are still mad we don't have a super star offense so we keep trying to play that narrative. Also my phone just tried to suggestion StatKing after I typed the word narrative, not kidding, and I can't stop laughing. Best keyboard ever. Edited February 19, 2022 by Norm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, Norm said: That was flukey as hell and a great play by the defense. You can't look at that one play and think oh crap we lost because we didn't have a different player, not that a better TE wouldn't help. He's confusing so many things. There's nobody was like oh man is Lewis catches a pass this game he might fumble!!! **** happens At least you could see the future with the ST **** ups because we'd seen them before. But we are still mad we don't have a super star offense so we keep trying to play that narrative. Also my phone just tried to suggestion StatKing after I typed the word narrative, not kidding, and I can't stop laughing. Best keyboard ever. It is funny to think that saying if we had a different TE/WR/etc the results would have been different, yet it is unfair or outlandish to consider that having a different QB might have resulted in a different outcome. apparently that line of thinking only goes 1 way 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, squire12 said: Only something like 5 other all pros on the 2020 roster. Complete lack of surrounding talent. Total failure by the front office. All other great teams have no holes and 22 All Pros at starter plus at least 5 as backups. Edited February 19, 2022 by Striker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) I love when new posters come in, if they are even new, and immediately take up the role of resident contrarian lol Edited February 19, 2022 by beekay414 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, beekay414 said: I love when new posters come in, if they are even new, and immediately take up the role of resident contrarian lol They aren't "new" Edited February 19, 2022 by Norm 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Norm said: They aren't "new" Of course not. They can't help themselves and they give away all their tells within their first week or so lol. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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