BradfordSteeler Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 I think you can make a pretty strong argument that Harrison was the best in the league in at least one season, given he won DPOY by a healthy margin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Harrison was terrifying to go against. He wanted nothing more than to knock guys out cold, and did it quite often. He also has the greatest defensive play in Super Bowl history, for what that's worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsandBroncos Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) Gotta go with Thomas, Miller, Greene/Ware, then Suggs. In that order. Funny that Steeler fans would rather dangle on Harrison then fight for Greene who was a better player but wasn't a lifer so he doesn't get the respect Edited March 14, 2022 by BullsandBroncos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradfordSteeler Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, BullsandBroncos said: Gotta go with Thomas, Miller, Greene/Ware, then Suggs. In that order. Funny that Steeler fans would rather dangle on Harrison then fight for Greene who was a better player but wasn't a lifer so he doesn't get the respect Wasn't a linebacker, so would be a terrible thing to fight for. Joe Greene was head and shoulders ahead of James Harrison and I think most would have him as the greatest Steeler ever. See here. Edited March 14, 2022 by BradfordSteeler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mse326 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 3 hours ago, BradfordSteeler said: Wasn't a linebacker, so would be a terrible thing to fight for. Joe Greene was head and shoulders ahead of James Harrison and I think most would have him as the greatest Steeler ever. See here. He's talking about Kevin Greene 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USADave Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 On 3/10/2022 at 11:57 PM, DefenseWinsChampionships said: Where is Mark Gastineau @ as an option? He was the real Single Season sack king with 22.0 sacks before Brett Favre laid down for Michael Strahan giving him 22.5. Might not be the greatest of All-Time (only because lack of longevity). But he is the greatest sack Master of All-Time and it's criminal how he's yet to make the Hall of Fame with 107.5 sacks despite only 10 seasons worth (with only 107 career starts too). He's the only player in NFL history that averaged over 1.0 sacks per start. Not even Lawrence Taylor could say the same. 107 sacks in 107 starts and I've never heard of him. I might have recognized his name because of the single season...but that was long forgotten after Favre took a dive. As a Favre fan, it Felt dirty at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) @USADave Summary: You were not missing much. There is a lot to unpack with Mark Gastineau. First is that Deacon Jones had more sacks than starts. Second is that sacks per start is not really a thing. Third is guys like Jones and Reggie were better at sacks per game. Fourth is that one of the worst things you can say of an NFL player among players is that they played 15 games in 1987. He did. Nobody liked him, not his teammates, not the other players, eventually not even the fans. Also give this a try, find any great sack guy you like, see how many they had in their first 10 years and see if its better than Gastineau. The answer is often yes. Pass rushers can still be productive from 32-39 or so, but its usually not at the same level as in their 20s. To be fair he did miss 7 games in 1982 with the rest of the union but only because their was no option to break the picket line back then. Edited March 16, 2022 by SkippyX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsandBroncos Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Gastineau didn't play LB so why are we talking about him again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsandBroncos Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) On 3/12/2022 at 7:36 AM, FrantikRam said: Just checking some stats for Derrick Thomas (who IMO is the easy answer here)... For nearly every three sacks, this dude forced a fumble. I'm sure he had some forced fumbles that didn't come from sacks, but that's insane to me. That and the single game sack record. He didn't even play the full 3rd quarter or at all in the 4th Edited March 16, 2022 by BullsandBroncos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BullsandBroncos said: That and the single game sack record. He didn't even play the full 3rd quarter or at all in the 4th The game he lost where he had Krieg for sack #8 but the QB ducked and then tossed the game winner? Why did he not play at the end of a close loss? I know for a fact that he played in the 4th because I have seen that play. And yes, its clearly Thomas as the answer to the poll. Edited March 16, 2022 by SkippyX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsandBroncos Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 19 minutes ago, SkippyX said: The game he lost where he had Krieg for sack #8 but the QB ducked and then tossed the game winner? Why did he not play at the end of a close loss? I know for a fact that he played in the 4th because I have seen that play. And yes, its clearly Thomas as the answer to the poll. Saw an interview of Cunningham saying he pulled Derrick off early. Was not around to see the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, BullsandBroncos said: Saw an interview of Cunningham saying he pulled Derrick off early. Was not around to see the game There is a 22 minute highlight package of the game on Youtube. LOL, one of the first plays is a holding call on what would have been sack #1 of 8 Thomas had 11 sacks on the season at the end of the 3rd quarter He had 8 coming into the game, 3 through 3 quarters, and 4 in the 4th. Wow, OJ was doing the NBC halftime show. 1990 was so different. Edited March 16, 2022 by SkippyX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotun_Fan Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Reexamining Greene's numbers....he really had a strong finish to his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 I've always wondered what Suggs career numbers would have looked like in a scheme where he was constantly rushing the passer. My evaluation of Suggs is that he's possibly the best edge run defender I've ever seen. A master edge setter. He also was an incredible screen defender. He also had to drop in coverage quite a bit, even in 3rd and long situations. He could easily have 20+ more sacks if he was treated as a pure rusher like some other edge LBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 There wouldn't be a Von Miller without DT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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