Lions waive OT Greg Robinson

[bzane]

23 minutes ago, DistantRam said:

Look at the date on that article. Hindsight is always 20/20 vision but nobody at the time said Robinson was going to be in the same class as Pace, Ogden or Walter Jones. 

Written May 2nd, 2014:

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"On Thursday, Auburn's Greg Robinson could bring back the echoes of the five cornerstones — Willie Roaf, Tony Boselli, Jonathan Ogden, Orlando Pace and Walter Jones — who arrived in the mid-1990s to revolutionize the tackle position.

"He's so heavy-handed and so athletic, I think he's going to be the next Orlando Pace," said an executive in personnel for an AFC team. "He's got a chance to be a Hall of Famer some day."

http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/auburn-tackle-greg-robinson-stands-out-in-talented-lineman-class-b99259906z1-257745711.html/

[bzane]

Also from 2014:

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ST. LOUIS — The Rams are excited about their 11 NFL Draft selections, and outside opinions generally confirm that coach Jeff Fisher and general manager Les Snead were productive with their picks.

Here’s a quick pick-by-pick look at the players St. Louis drafted and how they fit with the Rams.

Robinson has drawn comparisons with Larry Allen, Orlando Pace, Jonathan Ogden, Walter Jones and Trent Williams. If the massive mauler, who could start out at left guard as a rookie, turns out like those players, St. Louis could have a difference-maker in the trenches for the next decade.

https://www.foxsports.com/midwest/story/a-pick-by-pick-look-at-the-2014-rams-draft-class-051214

[AFlaccoSeagulls]

Wasn't he part of the Alabama draft class where Saban had a sign on his door something telling teams to stay away from certain players or something along those lines, and Greg Robinson was one of them? And he also had major signs of work ethic issues? I'm a little hazy on the specifics, but I recall something along those lines that gave me huge red flags about him.

[bzane]

2 hours ago, Darth Pees said:

Wasn't he part of the Alabama draft class where Saban had a sign on his door something telling teams to stay away from certain players or something along those lines, and Greg Robinson was one of them? And he also had major signs of work ethic issues? I'm a little hazy on the specifics, but I recall something along those lines that gave me huge red flags about him.

Gosh, there may have been such a sign- O, that Crimson Tide!- but I believe that Greg Robinson attended Auburn, and his coach spoke glowingly of him:

Auburn coach Gus Malzahn said Robinson would turn heads before the Combine.

"... I think you'll see, once the Combine hits, his stock will even go up higher," Malzahn said Tuesday. "He's going to really do some amazing things, in my opinion, at the Combine that will separate himself."

[AFlaccoSeagulls]

1 hour ago, bzane said:

Gosh, there may have been such a sign- O, that Crimson Tide!- but I believe that Greg Robinson attended Auburn, and his coach spoke glowingly of him:

Auburn coach Gus Malzahn said Robinson would turn heads before the Combine.

"... I think you'll see, once the Combine hits, his stock will even go up higher," Malzahn said Tuesday. "He's going to really do some amazing things, in my opinion, at the Combine that will separate himself."

My bad - I was thinking of Cam Robinson lol I can't remember the specific Alabama situation regarding the sign though. Obviously my recollection is failing me.

[DistantRam]

15 hours ago, bzane said:

Hmmmm- well, here's some of what they were saying, at the time- Larry Allen, Walter Jones:

View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message M_Phillips Joined: 18 Jan 2014 Posts: 428 Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:12 pm    Post subject: Greg Robinson Does he remind anyone of Jason Smith ?. Either way can you explain? _________________ Back to top BamaRam Joined: 16 Jan 2013 Posts: 661 Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:25 pm    Post subject:  If anything, his questions are the exact opposite of Smith's.  Smith didn't run block in college. He spent his rookie training camp learning how to play out of a three-point stance. He had no concept of second-level blocking or how to mirror pass rushers coming off the edge. He did not know how to set the boundaries of the pocket. Smith was literally just a good athlete (former tight end) who played out of a two-point stance in a gimmick offense. Greg Robinson is the best run-blocking LT I've seen come out since Jake Long.  Greg Robinson may have questions about the finer points of being a blind-side pass protector, but he is not nearly as raw as some make him out to be- and not a fraction as raw as Smith was. And the difference between Greg Robinson in September vs Greg Robinson in December was incredible and shows how quickly he is learning.  Then throw in the other stuff like Smith was a 23 year old who played in the big 12 and Robinson is 20 and played in the SEC..You see why Robinson is an elite prospect and Jason Smith was a Weeden-quality draft pick. Back to top Buckeyeboy89 Joined: 18 Jan 2007 Posts: 9861 Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:36 am    Post subject:  It seems the opinions on Robinson are all over the place. I think this kid had HOF potential and will be a consistent stud for the next ten years. Now with that said he is extremely raw. He is a big physical strong human being with a good first step which is why he is a complete road grader. He is need some work on his footwork which will instantly make him a better pass blocker and make him feel more comfortable in his pass sets. _________________ Back to top KingBishop Joined: 29 Dec 2013 Posts: 8255 Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:40 am    Post subject:  BamaRam wrote: If anything, his questions are the exact opposite of Smith's.  Smith didn't run block in college. He spent his rookie training camp learning how to play out of a three-point stance. He had no concept of second-level blocking or how to mirror pass rushers coming off the edge. He did not know how to set the boundaries of the pocket. Smith was literally just a good athlete (former tight end) who played out of a two-point stance in a gimmick offense. Greg Robinson is the best run-blocking LT I've seen come out since Jake Long.  Greg Robinson may have questions about the finer points of being a blind-side pass protector, but he is not nearly as raw as some make him out to be- and not a fraction as raw as Smith was. And the difference between Greg Robinson in September vs Greg Robinson in December was incredible and shows how quickly he is learning.  Then throw in the other stuff like Smith was a 23 year old who played in the big 12 and Robinson is 20 and played in the SEC..You see why Robinson is an elite prospect and Jason Smith was a Weeden-quality draft pick. From what I've observed I would say he's an even better run blocking LT than Jake Long was coming out _________________ Favorite Players in this Class:  David Njoku, Jourdan Lewis, Steven Taylor, Tedric Thompson, Marlon Mack, Brian Hill, OJ Howard, Jamal Adams, Malik Hooker, Marcus Williams, Eddie Jackson  Deforest Buckner is the best player in the 2016 draft class Back to top KingBishop Joined: 29 Dec 2013 Posts: 8255 Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:41 am    Post subject:  Godzilla Greg just plows through defenders as if they were Tokyo _________________ Favorite Players in this Class:  David Njoku, Jourdan Lewis, Steven Taylor, Tedric Thompson, Marlon Mack, Brian Hill, OJ Howard, Jamal Adams, Malik Hooker, Marcus Williams, Eddie Jackson  Deforest Buckner is the best player in the 2016 draft class Back to top TommyC376 Joined: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 10981 Location: Capital Wasteland Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:41 am    Post subject:  Robinson is a raw prospect with all world potential, his ceiling is higher than Jake Robinson but his floor is also lower as well. Robinson is a great run blocking athlete. He could easily step in and be a LT for 10+ years, or he could fail at LT and still be a very good LG.  He is going to be a good player in the NFL, we just dont know how good he will be. _________________ Back to top Buckeyeboy89 Joined: 18 Jan 2007 Posts: 9861 Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:45 am    Post subject:  TommyC376 wrote: Robinson is a raw prospect with all world potential, his ceiling is higher than Jake Robinson but his floor is also lower as well. Robinson is a great run blocking athlete. He could easily step in and be a LT for 10+ years, or he could fail at LT and still be a very good LG.  He is going to be a good player in the NFL, we just dont know how good he will be. If I were a NFL GM I would draft this kid and Start him at RT because of his elite run blocking skills. IT would also give me time to help develop his pass blocking skills before eventually moving him to LT. _________________ Back to top catcheryea Joined: 17 Apr 2013 Posts: 5776 Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: Greg Robinson M_Phillips wrote: Does he remind anyone of Jason Smith ?. Either way can you explain? No. Why? He's better. _________________ SHAQ IS THE SECOND BEST PLAYER IN NBA HISTORY  Back to top BamaRam Joined: 16 Jan 2013 Posts: 661 Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:33 am    Post subject:  KingBishop wrote: BamaRam wrote: If anything, his questions are the exact opposite of Smith's.  Smith didn't run block in college. He spent his rookie training camp learning how to play out of a three-point stance. He had no concept of second-level blocking or how to mirror pass rushers coming off the edge. He did not know how to set the boundaries of the pocket. Smith was literally just a good athlete (former tight end) who played out of a two-point stance in a gimmick offense. Greg Robinson is the best run-blocking LT I've seen come out since Jake Long.  Greg Robinson may have questions about the finer points of being a blind-side pass protector, but he is not nearly as raw as some make him out to be- and not a fraction as raw as Smith was. And the difference between Greg Robinson in September vs Greg Robinson in December was incredible and shows how quickly he is learning.  Then throw in the other stuff like Smith was a 23 year old who played in the big 12 and Robinson is 20 and played in the SEC..You see why Robinson is an elite prospect and Jason Smith was a Weeden-quality draft pick. From what I've observed I would say he's an even better run blocking LT than Jake Long was coming out I would tend to agree. Long was the most recent who was close. Back to top big_palooka Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 25678 Location: ATL Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:35 am    Post subject:  Buckeyeboy89 wrote: It seems the opinions on Robinson are all over the place.  I think this kid had HOF potential and will be a consistent stud for the next ten years. Now with that said he is extremely raw. He is a big physical strong human being with a good first step which is why he is a complete road grader. He is need some work on his footwork which will instantly make him a better pass blocker and make him feel more comfortable in his pass sets. Can we not do this?  Can we reserve the "HOF potential" statements for when said prospect is a young player in the NFL making an impact. Only then can we say he has that potential amongst his peers.  Sorry..... such a pet peeve of mine. Great talent, sure. Mass potential, fine. But putting a coveted HOF label on someone who's never taken an NFL snap is just ridiculous. _________________ Back to top MSURacerDT55 Joined: 05 Jan 2009 Posts: 7641 Location: 8 mile by way of St. Clair E.99 Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:54 am    Post subject:  I do agree with the poster above, but he has the skills to be Jackie Slater 2.0 _________________ @CoachHam6455 Back to top bulger2holt Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 2250 Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:37 pm    Post subject:  Reminds me of Larry Allen. Just a pure man-beast Back to top Raider X Joined: 07 Sep 2013 Posts: 2994 Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:07 pm    Post subject:  bulger2holt wrote: Reminds me of Larry Allen. Just a pure man-beast +1  Point of attack is a boom! Both are fast and strong. Back to top Rich7sena Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Posts: 6859 Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:54 pm    Post subject:  I think he has All-Pro potential at guard. I see Walter Jones potential there. 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14 hours ago, bzane said:

Well, here's an article on Robinson and Jake Matthews from 2014:

https://www.si.com/2014/04/08/greg-robinson-jake-matthews-nfl-draft

" Robinson has all the tools and has shown the potential in the pass game; if teams feel he can learn and work at his craft, then Robinson could be an all-time great. It’s a question of how long that will take, and where do you play him in the interim (Robinson would be a devastating left guard for a year or two). Former Rams left tackle Orlando Pace, who likely will be elected into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2015, is the player whom Robinson is most often compared with in league circles because of his physicality in the run game."

 

14 hours ago, bzane said:

Just after the Rams drafted Robinson in 2014:

"The Rams also don't have a history of selecting offensive linemen in the first round; Robinson becomes the third in franchise history, joining Jason Smith and Orlando Pace. Because of their similarities in size and skill set, the comparisons between Robinson and Pace already have begun.

"I heard a lot of things that they compared me to him," Robinson said. "He's a great player. Just being compared to a player like that – it feels good."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2014/05/08/draft-second-2nd-pick-st-louis-rams-ol-ot-og-greg-robinson-auburn/8873573/

 

14 hours ago, bzane said:

Written May 2nd, 2014:

"

"On Thursday, Auburn's Greg Robinson could bring back the echoes of the five cornerstones — Willie Roaf, Tony Boselli, Jonathan Ogden, Orlando Pace and Walter Jones — who arrived in the mid-1990s to revolutionize the tackle position.

"He's so heavy-handed and so athletic, I think he's going to be the next Orlando Pace," said an executive in personnel for an AFC team. "He's got a chance to be a Hall of Famer some day."

http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/auburn-tackle-greg-robinson-stands-out-in-talented-lineman-class-b99259906z1-257745711.html/

So let's see.... We have loads of people on an internet forum, a couple of articles no doubt generated by his agent trying to hike his client's contract and finally an unnamed "executive".

Forgive me if I take it all with a pinch of salt.

[CWood21]

On 11/12/2017 at 12:00 PM, Forge said:

He's so very, very bad....

This one hurts.  You saw the raw talent when he was at Auburn.  I wish he would have landed in a better situation.

[bzane]

3 hours ago, DistantRam said:

 

 

 

So let's see.... We have loads of people on an internet forum, a couple of articles no doubt generated by his agent trying to hike his client's contract and finally an unnamed "executive".

Forgive me if I take it all with a pinch of salt.

..............It's okay............it's all right.............you're going to be fine-!

[MemphisEagles]

I always see people say "let's sign this guy, can't be worse than so and so."

 

It can always be worse.

[jrry32]

On 11/17/2017 at 9:12 AM, Crickett said:

Greg Robinson was an example of a team making the same mistake twice.  They decided to take potential over the more polished prospects with Jason Smith ahead of Andre Smith and Eugene Monroe and they did the same thing selecting Greg Robinson over Jake Matthews. 

It was the Jeff Fisher way. Draft raw offensive players with a staff that couldn't develop them. Greg had some issues other than poor coaching, though. He's a guy with all the talent in the world who lacks the football IQ and intangibles.

[TheKillerNacho]

16 hours ago, CWood21 said:

This one hurts.  You saw the raw talent when he was at Auburn.  I wish he would have landed in a better situation.

You really think it was his situation that caused him to not succeed? Tbh, I think he would've busted anywhere.

[jrry32]

8 minutes ago, TheKillerNacho said:

You really think it was his situation that caused him to not succeed? Tbh, I think he would've busted anywhere.

It's hard to say. Had he been with a guy like Kromer, Callahan, Munchak, etc., they may have been able to make something of him. It's hard to say because his issues go beyond just poor technique, and Kromer wanted nothing to do with him this year.

[TheKillerNacho]

2 minutes ago, jrry32 said:

It's hard to say. Had he been with a guy like Kromer, Callahan, Munchak, etc., they may have been able to make something of him. It's hard to say because his issues go beyond just poor technique, and Kromer wanted nothing to do with him this year.

Coaching works on players who are willing to learn, works hard, and have the mental capacity for growth. Robinson arguably has none of those three things... he's merely an impressive physical specimen.

I don't think the bad coaching helped but I don't think he would be anything more than a backup on any team

[bzane]

1 hour ago, TheKillerNacho said:

Coaching works on players who are willing to learn, works hard, and have the mental capacity for growth. Robinson arguably has none of those three things... he's merely an impressive physical specimen.

I don't think the bad coaching helped but I don't think he would be anything more than a backup on any team

That is apt, and to the point. I suppose there are some of these overwhelming physical specimens- at any position- who dominate in college, but are incapable of developing any further in the NFL. I recall seeing footage of Greg Robinson bulldozing college players, but he wasn't going up against J.J. Watt, Von Miller, etc. And- apparently- was never going to progress to where he could handle such opponents.

Whether he was compared to Orlando Pace, or Tony Mandarich, Robinson at this point must be labelled an historic bust. I have serious doubts as to his ever succeeding but, in the ever-hopeful ways of the NFL, I imagine some other team will try to salvage him.

[INbengalfan]

On 11/17/2017 at 11:56 AM, Darth Pees said:

Wasn't he part of the Alabama draft class where Saban had a sign on his door something telling teams to stay away from certain players or something along those lines, and Greg Robinson was one of them? And he also had major signs of work ethic issues? I'm a little hazy on the specifics, but I recall something along those lines that gave me huge red flags about him.

That was actually at LSU with the strength and conditioning coach.  Mingo and Sam Montgomery were two of the players listed, and they did little to nothing in the league.  There were like 7-8 players on the list.  I remember it clearly because the bengals got Montgomery after he fizzled out with the Texans, who took him in the fifth or sixth round.  he did nothing for us either.