Time to Fire LaFleur, Gute, and Murphy And Burn The House Down

[Dubz41]

48 minutes ago, squire12 said:

 

 

Has GB defense been that bad at tackling in 2022?  

I will say there were some big missed tackles in the Philly game, but prior to that, it was not something that GB was floundering in relative to other teams.

some info from pro football reference advanced stats

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/2022_advanced.htm

Compared to the top 10 teams in the NFL in scoring defense, GB despite having played 1 more game has fewer missed tackles than the majority of the teams and a better missed tackle%

 

Team link	Total missed tackles	missed tackle %
GB	42	4.9
SF	47	6.4
BUF	56	7.2
DAL	42	5.6
DEN	63	7.7
NYJ	46	6
NE	49	6.3
TB	43	5.6
TEN	63	7.8
PHI	59	7.8
BAL	60	8.4

  Damn lies and statistics!

Those other teams fly to the ball, we do not. When we miss a tackle it seems to result in a first down.

We are really good at tackling after 7-10 yard gains.

[squire12]

11 minutes ago, Dubz41 said:

  Damn lies and statistics!

Those other teams fly to the ball, we do not. When we miss a tackle it seems to result in a first down.

We are really good at tackling after 7-10 yard gains.

possible.   but the lack of GB "flying to the ball" is more a philosophical/scheme thing.  

[Dubz41]

4 minutes ago, squire12 said:

possible.   but the lack of GB "flying to the ball" is more a philosophical/scheme thing.  

Or 'heart' thing. 

I think Barry has lost these guys. Even Kenny Clark has disappeared over the last month.

[LLcheesehead12]

On 11/28/2022 at 5:10 PM, pgwingman said:

1. My assertion still stands. I think the players he's drafted have shown talent, but this year the talent hasn't been schemed or coached well. Who have been his "busts" in his drafts? I'd say Josh Jackson, Oren Burks, Jace Sternberger, Josiah Deguara, Amari Rodgers. I don't think you can count busts in rounds 4-7, every team bats 10% from those selections

 

You forgot our awful FS Darnell Savage in that list.  He's the biggest bust pick of Gute's to date.  Awful in coverage.

[squire12]

36 minutes ago, Mr. Fussnputz said:

Just joking around, man. Don't take me too seriously. I think the tackling got better when Campbell and Douglas arrived. But Savage is awful. That's why he was benched, I bet, and that ankle injury early on against Philly? Was that legit, or just Savage reacting to his demotion? Wouldn't be surprised if he's traded for a mid-round pick before the draft.

lets see relative to other safeties

Savage 4 missed tackles, 8.7%

Hufanga (SF) 8 missed tackles, 11.0%

Hamlin (BUF) 5 missed tackles, 6.6%
Poyer (BUF) 1 missed tackle, 2.7% (7 games played)

Wilson (DAL) 9 missed tackles, 11.4%
Kearse (DAL) 1 missed tackle, 2.1%
Hooker (DAL) 7 missed tackles, 14.6%

Kareem Jackson (DEN) 8 missed tackles, 12.1%
Simmons (DEN) 6 missed tackles, 15.0% (6 games played)

Jordan Whitehead (NYJ) 6 missed tackles 9.5%

Antoine Winfield (TB) 1 missed tackle, 1.9%
Keanu Neal (TB) 4 missed tackles, 8.0%

Kevin Byard (TEN) 3 missed tackles, 3.9%

Johnson Gardner (PHI) 11 missed tackles, 15.5%
Marcus Epps (PHI) 10 missed tackles, 14.1%

Chuck Clark (BAL) 3 missed tackles, 4.5%
Kyle Hamilton (BAL) 3 missed tackles, 9.4%
Marcus Williams (BAL) 4 missed tackles, 10.8%

[squire12]

6 minutes ago, Dubz41 said:

Or 'heart' thing. 

I think Barry has lost these guys. Even Kenny Clark has disappeared over the last month.

fully agree that the defense doesn't trust the system and there are some that are not going full throttle and may be making 'business decisions"

[squire12]

for those that think Jaire is not playing well.... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlexJa00.htm

advanced stats 

best missed tackle % of his career
similar passer rating against vs 2020

Games		Pass Coverage												Pass Rush					Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Tgt	Cmp	Cmp%	Yds	Yds/Cmp	Yds/Tgt	TD	Rat	DADOT	Air	YAC	Bltz	Hrry	QBKD	Sk	Prss	Comb	MTkl	MTkl%
2018	21	GNB	LCB	23	13	11	1	91	59	64.8%	818	13.9	9.0	3	100.0	11.0	577	241	11	1	0	0.5	2	66	8	10.8%
2019	22	GNB	LCB	23	16	16	2	110	59	53.6%	831	14.1	7.6	5	85.8	11.1	519	312	0	0	0	0.0	0	58	8	12.1%
2020*	23	GNB	LCB	23	15	15	1	80	41	51.3%	375	9.1	4.7	2	67.4	9.5	252	123	4	0	0	1.0	1	51	5	8.9%
2021	24	GNB	DB	23	4	4	1	22	12	54.5%	131	10.9	6.0	2	83.7	10.9	73	58	1	0	0	0.0	0	13	1	7.1%
2022	25	GNB	CB	23	11	11	3	58	33	56.9%	359	10.9	6.2	2	65.2	9.0	217	142	0	0	0	0.0	0	41	3	6.8%

[vegas492]

On 11/29/2022 at 12:07 PM, PACKRULE said:

Perspective is a mofo when you take the time to view from more than a singular view. 

It is.

But I also know that we wanted more from Rodgers than we got from Favre.

You, like hoping that you learned from past mistakes.

And there is merit in that...it just isn't as easy when looking at an NFL club.

[vegas492]

17 hours ago, squire12 said:

 

 

Has GB defense been that bad at tackling in 2022?  

I will say there were some big missed tackles in the Philly game, but prior to that, it was not something that GB was floundering in relative to other teams.

some info from pro football reference advanced stats

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/2022_advanced.htm

Compared to the top 10 teams in the NFL in scoring defense, GB despite having played 1 more game has fewer missed tackles than the majority of the teams and a better missed tackle%

17 hours ago, squire12 said:

Team link	Total missed tackles	missed tackle %
GB	42	4.9
SF	47	6.4
BUF	56	7.2
DAL	42	5.6
DEN	63	7.7
NYJ	46	6
NE	49	6.3
TB	43	5.6
TEN	63	7.8
PHI	59	7.8
BAL	60	8.4

 

 

First off...thank you.  I had no idea it was like that.

Then...I wonder what that chart would look like with Savage playing for us.  

[vegas492]

16 hours ago, Dubz41 said:

Or 'heart' thing. 

I think Barry has lost these guys. Even Kenny Clark has disappeared over the last month.

It's been longer than that.

He's a solid to very good player.  He's gotta be hurt and not talking about it.

He's too good to play like this if he is healthy.  

[PACKRULE]

19 hours ago, squire12 said:

possible.   but the lack of GB "flying to the ball" is more a philosophical/scheme thing.  

Maybe we need to draft football players who can tackle rather that high RAR guys? Just a thought we tend to draft athletes but were they dam good footballers. Then again what the f**k do i know.

[Mr. Fussnputz]

3 hours ago, vegas492 said:

It's been longer than that.

He's a solid to very good player.  He's gotta be hurt and not talking about it.

He's too good to play like this if he is healthy.  

Agreed. As I wrote somewhere earlier, I recall he had a groin injury earlier this season. He probably keeps re-aggravating it every week. Too bad our bye is so late. It might have helped.

[{Family Ghost}]

10 minutes ago, PACKRULE said:

Maybe we need to draft football players who can tackle rather that high RAR guys? Just a thought we tend to draft athletes but were they dam good footballers. Then again what the f**k do i know.

Walker was thought to be a good tackler and he flat out stunk it up the past few weeks.

Edited November 30, 2022 by {Family Ghost}

[Zycho32]

25 minutes ago, PACKRULE said:

Maybe we need to draft football players who can tackle rather that high RAR guys? Just a thought we tend to draft athletes but were they dam good footballers. Then again what the f**k do i know.

A good tackler doesn't offer too much to the NFL if they do not have sufficient quality mobility for their position. An exceptionally mobile player might possibly be taught how to tackle properly if given enough aptitude for learning. But you've probably heard this argument on the weekly as it is.

I made the argument at one point- in relation to the Artist Formerly Known as Amari being a scrub despite his college pedigree- that College Tape tends to be halfway deceiving because at any given play regardless of the opponent and the supporting cast, more than half of the players involved are not destined to be a part of the NFL landscape. This generally means there is a lesser quality of overall athleticism and skill at the college level, and thus it takes a lesser amount of competence to become one of the top guys. Walker's tackling ability can be affected from that very same thing, since now he's facing elusive or strong guys on offense half or more of the snaps he takes as opposed to the one-in-ten or twenty times when he was a Bulldog.

[MacReady]

Defense is keeping itself healthy for next year.

Saw Gary go down playing for this PAB and they noped out of giving everything for some loser idiot.

Can’t say I blame them. Hope they get loads of sacks/interceptions by accident and that their play reflects poorly enough on Barry they can get someone else.