CWood21 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 38 minutes ago, Broncofan said: I think it’s a given there’s a first rd pick. Its fair to wonder if the Jets are trying to keep it as a 2024 1st plus a conditional pick (not a 1st more like 3rd) vs. GB asking for 1.13 plus a conditional pick (like a 2025 3rd or A-Rod is on week 1 2024 53-man roster). I think it's very odd that the Jets haven't released Corey Davis yet despite signing Allen Lazard. To me, those two are very redundant. You have to wonder if Corey Davis is part of the trade package. I do think the Packers want a FRP+ for Rodgers. The Packers probably want 1.13 while the Jets are willing to give up their '24 FRP, but the Jets would need to add to that future FRP. I think it's possible that the Jets send their #43 plus their FRP next year to land Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 36 minutes ago, Rockice_8 said: Savy? Any little leverage they had is gone. Its only the Jets no other teams to drive up the price. The illusion of multiple teams was the only leverage they had. The team president came out and said they are moving on. Any chance of getting a 1 is gone. And Woody Johnson pretty much said he'd move heaven and earth to get his franchise QB. How much leverage did the Jets lose there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockice_8 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, CWood21 said: lol that's a really, really bad trade package. Remember, Matt Ryan's corpse went for a 3rd round pick. A SINGLE 3rd round pick, and you think a 3rd round pick and a conditional late 2024 pick is going to get it done? And Farve went for a conditional 3rd in the same scenario. Ryan wasn't viewed as a corpse until this year. He was just shy of 4k yards his last year in ATL. He wasn't a corpse. He was a 1-year rental like Rodgers. Their stats from the year before their trade aren't drastically different. Yes Rodgers has the career rep far above Ryan but it's that worth that much more than the 3rd Ryan went for? We're paying for past accolades against ourselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, Rockice_8 said: The Jets can grab Mariota, draft Hooker and let them compete with Wilson. And win 6-7 games again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockice_8 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 minute ago, CWood21 said: And Woody Johnson pretty much said he'd move heaven and earth to get his franchise QB. How much leverage did the Jets lose there? Rogers isn't a franchise QB he's a rental. And your team president said it's Love's team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDotNova Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: What are you talking about? Love is the Packers starting QB. If they exercise the option it goes on the cap in 2024. I wasnt just referring to GB’s 2023 cap situation. Should have made that clear. Not trading Rodgers takes away cap and draft capital from building around Love, not just this year but next year. Edited March 16, 2023 by SDotNova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, Rockice_8 said: The Jets can grab Mariota, draft Hooker and let them compete with Wilson. They want Rodgers and that's about the only thing GB is clinging to in hopes of making them sweat a little. The fact is as bad as the Jets want Rodgers GB wants him gone too. There are no other bidders and Rodgers wants NY. How many times in history does a situation like this play out in favor on the team trading the stat away. Not to mention said star is nothing but a 1-year rental given his 90% retired comments recently. The Jets are going to be forced by GB to overbid themselves for a rental? The reason this isn't done is because the Jets are low balling. IF 13 was in the discussion this is over already. If you can't see the Grand Canyon-sized gap between Mariota and Rodgers, you're living life with your head in the sand. There's no way that Woody Johnson, Joe Douglas, and Robert Saleh can go to the Jets' fanbase with Marcus Mariota or Zach Wilson as their starting QB without getting crucified by the media and the fanbase. The Packers don't have to trade Rodgers away until Week 1 of the regular season. That's the difference. The Jets almost assuredly want him for OTA's and training camp. The Jets' deadline is before the Packers' deadline. And I think there's a strong chance that any future picks are conditionally-based. But the Jets know they're getting at least 1 season out of Rodgers, and that's worth a FRP IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Rockice_8 said: How many times in history does a situation like this play out in favor on the team trading the stat away. One part of history about trades like this is most of the time the trading piece is going to see cap relief from the trade even if they don't get fair value for the player. The Packers are going to eat that salary whether Rodgers plays for the Jets or sits on the bench. In fact if he is traded he takes on a bigger cap hit this year than if he just rides the bench or retires in GB. The Packers only real issue caused by having Rodgers is the media circus it might bring but like I said in other posts outside of Bahk Rodgers "Crew" is gone this is not going to affect the team who are going to live or die with Love. The Jets on the other hand can go sign Mariota go 8-9 miss the playoffs and have another mid round pick but they saved that first rounder though! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockice_8 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, NYRaider said: And win 6-7 games again. Maybe but they won't be mortgaging their future for a 1-year rental. Nobody gives up a pick like 13 for a 1-year rental they just don't. On pace to win more with Wilson last year so anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Just now, CWood21 said: If you can't see the Grand Canyon-sized gap between Mariota and Rodgers, you're living life with your head in the sand. There's no way that Woody Johnson, Joe Douglas, and Robert Saleh can go to the Jets' fanbase with Marcus Mariota or Zach Wilson as their starting QB without getting crucified by the media and the fanbase. The Packers don't have to trade Rodgers away until Week 1 of the regular season. That's the difference. The Jets almost assuredly want him for OTA's and training camp. The Jets' deadline is before the Packers' deadline. And I think there's a strong chance that any future picks are conditionally-based. But the Jets know they're getting at least 1 season out of Rodgers, and that's worth a FRP IMO. There's also a chance that another team gets involved later in the offseason if the Jets wait. Maybe the 49ers if they're not confident in Purdy/Lance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Rockice_8 said: Rogers isn't a franchise QB he's a rental. And your team president said it's Love's team. You can say Rodgers is a rental, but he's under contract for 4 more years. You can ASSUME he's done playing after this upcoming season, but that doesn't make it true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Just now, Rockice_8 said: Maybe but they won't be mortgaging their future for a 1-year rental. Nobody gives up a pick like 13 for a 1-year rental they just don't. On pace to win more with Wilson last year so anything is possible. Trading away one FRP for a player that puts you into title contention isn't "mortgaging the future." Salah and Douglas probably won't even have a future in NY if they don't get a deal done tbh. Botched on Wilson and now they're potentially going to botch on Rodgers as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Rockice_8 said: Maybe but they won't be mortgaging their future for a 1-year rental. Nobody gives up a pick like 13 for a 1-year rental they just don't. On pace to win more with Wilson last year so anything is possible. Do you think the Jets can contend for a SB with Rodgers as their QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, Rockice_8 said: And Farve went for a conditional 3rd in the same scenario. Ryan wasn't viewed as a corpse until this year. He was just shy of 4k yards his last year in ATL. He wasn't a corpse. He was a 1-year rental like Rodgers. Their stats from the year before their trade aren't drastically different. Yes Rodgers has the career rep far above Ryan but it's that worth that much more than the 3rd Ryan went for? We're paying for past accolades against ourselves? Favre was traded in August. If you're willing to wait until August, you can probably get him for a 3rd as well. Something tells me all the players on your team aren't going to view the front office fondly when they're catching balls from Zach Wilson in OTAs because the team is squabbling over draft pick compensation when they have a chance to play with Aaron Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 14 minutes ago, umphrey said: So when is there actually any soft deadline for all of this? It seems like the only incentive to get a deal done at this moment is impatient fans and impatient Rodgers. The draft is the first soft deadline. After that, the Jets can't deal 2023 picks. And then the next soft deadline is probably the start of OTAs and TC for the Jets, and then the hard deadline is Week 1 of the regular season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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