Do you think we will see a Defense like the 2015 Broncos Again?

[CP3MVP]

5 hours ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said:

It took two whole years from the 2013 Seahawks defense, which was historically great, to get the 2015 Broncos unit - which, let's be honest, in 10 years absolutely nobody is going to remember.

So yes, we will absolutely see another "great" defense, most likely soon.

People  remember this defense. They’re considered one of the best units ever.

[CP3MVP]

7 minutes ago, 43M said:

The part that people overlook is how the offenses affected the defense.   Not trying to discredit the Eagles defense, but they had a major luxury of being consistently well rested and never really had to carry the team on its back the way defenses such as the 2000 Ravens, 2002 Bucs, 2008 Steelers and 2015 Broncos often had to.

Again, the Eagles defense was terrific, but would it have been as good if they had to regular make up for the offenses ineptitude?    🤔

The offense wasn’t just bad they kept turning the ball over putting the broncos in terrible positions. 

[evilflamingo]

14 hours ago, CP3MVP said:

7.)2022 49ers, now their defensive performance wasn’t as bad as the raw points per game allowed in the nfc title game against the eagles showed but it wasn’t great either. Philly rushed for 148 yards and 4 touchdowns 

It wasn't great but it was way better than the score would indicate. 

• 1st drive: Forces a 4th down stop. Referee error gives the Eagles goal-to-go from 6 yards. 
• 2nd drive: 3 and out
• 3rd drive: Gives up 11 yards, forced punt
• 4th drive: 3 and out
• 5th drive: Impressive drive from the Eagles even though it was aided by a soft 3rd down penalty on Jimmie Ward. Gives up a TD
• 6th drive: Starts deep inside own territory with minimum rest after JJ's fumble. Gives up a TD
• 7th drive: 3 and out
• 8th drive: Forces a punt. Special teams gives the Eagles a new chance to get a TD
• 9th drive: Starts inside own territory again and is understandably deflated from the impossible situation and being on the field for 2/3 of the game. Gives up a TD
• 10th drive: Starts deep inside own territory again. Gives up a 4th down conversion. Eagles kneels but at this point they could probably have scored if they wanted to.  

[DontTazeMeBro]

5 hours ago, CP3MVP said:

I remember someone saying the biggest advantage modern QBs have over older QBs is not rule changes, it’s offensive playing calling. 
 

Forget  the 1980’s, even compared to let’s say 2005 it’s night and day on a regular basis how far playcalling has come, even for the bad teams. Go back and watch a typical game form let’s say that era and see how conservative and vanilla the  playcalling is 

Yep. A lot of people haven’t even noticed that barely anyone drops back from under center anymore. Under center is almost always run or play action. You don’t have to go back too far in time to see teams under center on 3rd and long.

[Nabbs4u]

On 2/16/2023 at 2:36 PM, CP3MVP said:

Well There’s “coming up short” and getting flat out dominated. At least the 2019 49ers could say we played  them well for 3 quarters and then the wheels fell off. 

Who got dominated? The Eagles Defense gave up 24pts during 99% of the game! Everyone wants to acknowledge the Hurts FB scoop and DTD (31pts) but consistently ignores the 65 yd PR on ST (not Defense) giving Mahomes 1st and goal from the 4 yd line?? Basically another TO for a TD (24 pts)!!!

Every Defense on this list would of struggled to stop KC/Pat/Andy 1st and goal from the 4. Let's be real!

It was a tale of two 1/2 where Gannon got completely out coached by a Future HOF HC and QB. 

 

Edited February 20, 2023 by Nabbs4u

[candyman93]

That last Pats Super Bowl defense was freaking nuts. They didn’t have sexy stats, but that back 7 was dominant.

[CP3MVP]

3 hours ago, Nabbs4u said:

Who got dominated? The Eagles Defense gave up 24pts during 99% of the game! Everyone wants to acknowledge the Hurts FB scoop and DTD (31pts) but consistently ignores the 65 yd PR on ST (not Defense) giving Mahomes 1st and goal from the 4 yd line?? Basically another TO for a TD (24 pts)!!!

Every Defense on this list would of struggled to stop KC/Pat/Andy 1st and goal from the 4. Let's be real!

It was a tale of two 1/2 where Gannon got completely out coached by a Future HOF HC and QB. 

 

The eagles got dominated. They didn’t get a sack and Mahomes had a 131 passer rating lol. Dudes came out after halftime and allowed the chiefs to March down the field for a TD.

 It’s a Tale of Gannons defense getting destroyed when he faced a top flight QB the last two years. Dak has embarrassed him for example 

Edited February 20, 2023 by CP3MVP

[Nabbs4u]

1 hour ago, CP3MVP said:

The eagles got dominated. They didn’t get a sack and Mahomes had a 131 passer rating lol. Dudes came out after halftime and allowed the chiefs to March down the field for a TD.

 It’s a Tale of Gannons defense getting destroyed when he faced a top flight QB the last two years. Dak has embarrassed him for example 

Sorry, we're expectations to shut out the #1 scoring offense in the NFL, just curious?

Mahomes was gifted basically 14 pts. He passed for 182 yds. Had some key scramble 1st down (huge),👍 2 blown coverages and they were able to run the football at will in the 2nd 1/2.

Stop acting like he shredded the defense. He threw for what, 80 yds in the 2nd 1/2? Just stop, agenda pushing or not!

Edited February 20, 2023 by Nabbs4u

[Jakuvious]

1 hour ago, Nabbs4u said:

Sorry, we're expectations to shut out the #1 scoring offense in the NFL, just curious?

Mahomes was gifted basically 14 pts. He passed for 182 yds. Had some key scramble 1st down (huge),👍 2 blown coverages and they were able to run the football at will in the 2nd 1/2.

Stop acting like he shredded the defense. He threw for what, 80 yds in the 2nd 1/2? Just stop, agenda pushing or not!

Chiefs had 8 offensive drives and scored 31 points, and that includes a missed field goal and Jerrick McKinnon taking a knee at the 3 yard line. That's 3.875 points per drive. 4.25 if they don't miss the field goal. 4.75 if McKinnon is greedy instead. If you want to wipe out the punt return possession, keep the missed field goal and the kneel, Chiefs would've had 7 offensive drives that count according to you, and still scored 24 points. 3.42 points per drive. The 2007 Patriots, for reference, scored 3.19 points per drive. In the second half, the Chiefs had the potential to gain 230 yards of offense, if they took every drive from when they got the ball to the end zone. They gained 229, politely declined the last 1, and gave 8 back on kneel downs. Eagles D showed up on two series all game.

Sure, the defensive touchdown was points not scored by the offense, the punt return were yards not gained by the offense. But you can't then praise them for holding Mahomes to 182 yards, when his yardage was down for those same reasons. Lost a possession to a defensive score, lost a chance at yards to the punt return. Philly didn't stop Mahomes in the second half. Nothing we saw gives us any reason to think Mahomes couldn't have gained the 65 yards that Toney did on the punt return. Take out the Bolton and Toney plays, and all you really have are gaudier stats for the Chiefs offense. You can't have it both ways, here, taking away the points those plays gave, without acknowledging the Chiefs would've had more opportunities on offense as a result. The lack of drives is all that stopped the stats from being truly crazy.

And the expectation isn't to shut down the Chiefs offense, but at least do better than others. Like what we've seen from Cincy, or Tennessee, or even Denver, in recent years. Give up 23 or 24 instead of 30+.

[Nabbs4u]

2 hours ago, Jakuvious said:

The lack of drives is all that stopped the stats from being truly crazy

There's a Diffrence from being efficient which Mahomes absolutely was and the narrative he was absolutely shredding that overrated Eagles defense,  he wasn't. That was the other QB who played on the field that day.

 

2 hours ago, Jakuvious said:

Take out the Bolton and Toney plays, and all you really have are gaudier stats for the Chiefs offense.

You can no more guarantee that then me suggesting if Jalen Hurts was given that extra possession when they killed clock by sliding, He instantly marches down the field  for the game tying or winning TD because they went for and got the 2pt conversion? Natural assumptions on both scenarios, but assumptions not facts nor guarantees!

You act like the Chiefs never punted in the SB (twice)? Never attempted FG's (twice)? He wasn’t guaranteed those yds on offense, guaranteed 14pts.  Either could ended up with a TO, ended in two FG's, two punts ,lost a minimum of 8 points instead?

I do find it funny that the 2017 Eagles team is looked back upon favorably with a Top 5 Offense/ Top 5 Defense yet gave up almost 600yds of offense to Tom Brady and the Patriots in the SB, but Won!!!!

However the 2022 Eagles despite also having a Top 5 Offense/ Top 5 Defense give up almost 1/2 those yards  (340yds) to Pat Mahomes and the Chiefs but LOST.  The narrative is the Eagles Defense actually sucked, never played anyone ,got shredded, truly was overrated?

Guess that truly is the difference between winning and losing. Congrats on the Ring. 🥃

Edited February 20, 2023 by Nabbs4u

[Jakuvious]

57 minutes ago, Nabbs4u said:

There's a Diffrence from being efficient which Mahomes absolutely was and the narrative he was absolutely shredding that overrated Eagles defense,  he wasn't.

What exactly is that difference? Between being efficient and shredding the defense. How are those different?

[Nabbs4u]

4 minutes ago, Jakuvious said:

What exactly is that difference? Between being efficient and shredding the defense. How are those different?

One put up Pat Mahomes numbers, the other this

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/10-completely-insane-eagles-qb-jalen-hurts-super-bowl-stats

[CP3MVP]

8 hours ago, Nabbs4u said:

Sorry, we're expectations to shut out the #1 scoring offense in the NFL, just curious?

Mahomes was gifted basically 14 pts. He passed for 182 yds. Had some key scramble 1st down (huge),👍 2 blown coverages and they were able to run the football at will in the 2nd 1/2.

Stop acting like he shredded the defense. He threw for what, 80 yds in the 2nd 1/2? Just stop, agenda pushing or not!

Not shut out, just not get destroyed. It should also be noted eagles dominated time of possession. KC only had the hall for 24 minutes and put up 31 offensive points. They were also 50% on third downs and didn’t give the ball away. 
 

Even if you want to remove 14 pints it’s 24 points in 24 mins lol. That’s terrible, that’s even factoring in the kicker an easy one in the first half. 

Edited February 20, 2023 by CP3MVP

[CP3MVP]

6 hours ago, Jakuvious said:

Chiefs had 8 offensive drives and scored 31 points, and that includes a missed field goal and Jerrick McKinnon taking a knee at the 3 yard line. That's 3.875 points per drive. 4.25 if they don't miss the field goal. 4.75 if McKinnon is greedy instead. If you want to wipe out the punt return possession, keep the missed field goal and the kneel, Chiefs would've had 7 offensive drives that count according to you, and still scored 24 points. 3.42 points per drive. The 2007 Patriots, for reference, scored 3.19 points per drive. In the second half, the Chiefs had the potential to gain 230 yards of offense, if they took every drive from when they got the ball to the end zone. They gained 229, politely declined the last 1, and gave 8 back on kneel downs. Eagles D showed up on two series all game.

Sure, the defensive touchdown was points not scored by the offense, the punt return were yards not gained by the offense. But you can't then praise them for holding Mahomes to 182 yards, when his yardage was down for those same reasons. Lost a possession to a defensive score, lost a chance at yards to the punt return. Philly didn't stop Mahomes in the second half. Nothing we saw gives us any reason to think Mahomes couldn't have gained the 65 yards that Toney did on the punt return. Take out the Bolton and Toney plays, and all you really have are gaudier stats for the Chiefs offense. You can't have it both ways, here, taking away the points those plays gave, without acknowledging the Chiefs would've had more opportunities on offense as a result. The lack of drives is all that stopped the stats from being truly crazy.

And the expectation isn't to shut down the Chiefs offense, but at least do better than others. Like what we've seen from Cincy, or Tennessee, or even Denver, in recent years. Give up 23 or 24 instead of 30+.

Yeah People forget the eagles dominated of possession. KC literally had the ball for 24 mins, it could’ve been SO SO much worse if Phillies offense didn’t keep the chiefs of the  field 

[CP3MVP]

3 hours ago, Nabbs4u said:

There's a Diffrence from being efficient which Mahomes absolutely was and the narrative he was absolutely shredding that overrated Eagles defense,  he wasn't. That was the other QB who played on the field that day.

 

You can no more guarantee that then me suggesting if Jalen Hurts was given that extra possession when they killed clock by sliding, He instantly marches down the field  for the game tying or winning TD because they went for and got the 2pt conversion? Natural assumptions on both scenarios, but assumptions not facts nor guarantees!

You act like the Chiefs never punted in the SB (twice)? Never attempted FG's (twice)? He wasn’t guaranteed those yds on offense, guaranteed 14pts.  Either could ended up with a TO, ended in two FG's, two punts ,lost a minimum of 8 points instead?

I do find it funny that the 2017 Eagles team is looked back upon favorably with a Top 5 Offense/ Top 5 Defense yet gave up almost 600yds of offense to Tom Brady and the Patriots in the SB, but Won!!!!

However the 2022 Eagles despite also having a Top 5 Offense/ Top 5 Defense give up almost 1/2 those yards  (340yds) to Pat Mahomes and the Chiefs but LOST.  The narrative is the Eagles Defense actually sucked, never played anyone ,got shredded, truly was overrated?

Guess that truly is the difference between winning and losing. Congrats on the Ring. 🥃

Who looks up to the 2017 eagles defense as favorable? Lol

 

We are saying that 2022 eagles defense like the rest of supposed “great” defenses post 15 broncos got exposed when it mattered lol