adamq Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: One put up Pat Mahomes numbers, the other this https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/10-completely-insane-eagles-qb-jalen-hurts-super-bowl-stats Why do counting stats matter? When the Chiefs had the ball, they scored. That's what matters 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 17 minutes ago, adamq said: Why do counting stats matter? When the Chiefs had the ball, they scored. That's what matters You're right, just like the Eagles in the NFCCG vs your defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iknowcool Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: However the 2022 Eagles despite also having a Top 5 Offense/ Top 5 Defense give up almost 1/2 those yards (340yds) to Pat Mahomes and the Chiefs but LOST. The narrative is the Eagles Defense actually sucked, never played anyone ,got shredded, truly was overrated? But the Eagles defense did suck in the Super Bowl. It is literally the reason why they lost. No excuse to dominate TOP like they did and still give up as many points as they did, even if you exclude the fumble return. Give the Eagles D their flowers for the rest of the season. But in the Super Bowl it 100% sucked. Edited February 20, 2023 by iknowcool 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 9 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: Sorry, we're expectations to shut out the #1 scoring offense in the NFL, just curious? Considering your pass rushing unit was hailed as “historic” and you were facing a one-legged QB, yes you should’ve at least been able to replicate what the Bengals did. Your defense didn’t touch Mahomes once and you’re here arguing they didn’t get dominated. Lots of Eagles fans were so confident after steamrolling the likes of Cooper Rush and Josh Johnson, now it’s “hey the Chiefs have a good offense, what did you expect us to do?!” Celebrating Mahomes’ low yardage totals while bemoaning the fact that you had short field situations leading to TDs against. Gee, I wonder if that had anything to do with Mahomes’ yardage? What a joke! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamq Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 29 minutes ago, Nabbs4u said: You're right, just like the Eagles in the NFCCG vs your defense. Yep, congrats on the easiest run to a SB of all time. Your defense was overrated because of that cupcake schedule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) On 2/16/2023 at 9:10 PM, TecmoSuperJoe said: Yes. It happens every few years, and it seems like every time the goal posts are moved with the same question being asked. As if a truly great defense won't come around the corner again. It just takes the right mix of acquired talent, and luck to go the distance in a 3 or 4 game slate. Even in this era of offensive-fueled ball, it's not surprising that it keeps happening. Maybe Im crazy but it feels like key pieces on units often dont stick together much anymore before players get traded, sign elsewhere and most importantly *defensive coordinators move on for other jobs* So we have all of these instances where a team has a great defense, but its just for a single season. The Broncos core was intact for 3 years I believe and their magnum opus was the 2015 season. They were also able to stay together because Wade Phillips was DC who at his age/history wasnt going to get poached for a different job elsewhere. So it was kinda a perfect storm where players were locked into contracts and they had a all-time DC who wasnt going anywhere. A reason the 2013 Seahawks. 2015 Broncos defenses will be remembered is because they existed for multiple years and had staying power unlike a lot of these fly by night defenses who are great for a year and gone the next before anybody gets to appreciate/talk about how good they are. Edited February 20, 2023 by AkronsWitness 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 3 hours ago, iknowcool said: But the Eagles defense did suck in the Super Bowl. It is literally the reason why they lost. No excuse to dominate TOP like they did and still give up as many points as they did, even if you exclude the fumble return. Give the Eagles D their flowers for the rest of the season. But in the Super Bowl it 100% sucked. Defense wasn't great in the Super Bowl but the offense gave up 7 points with the fumble TD and their special teams basically gave KC a free TD in the second half as well with that 65 yard punt return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 3 hours ago, NYRaider said: Defense wasn't great in the Super Bowl but the offense gave up 7 points with the fumble TD and their special teams basically gave KC a free TD in the second half as well with that 65 yard punt return. This has been addressed. If you want to remove both of those entirely, they still allowed 24 points in 7 defensive drives. That's terrible. The average team in the average game this year had 11 offensive drives. 24 points in 7 drives translates to about 38 points in 11 drives. So yes, they allowed more points due to the defensive score and TD, but they were saved an equal amount of points by the Chiefs having less drives due to the defensive TD and how well Hurts played. Eagles D had a terrible game whether you include the returns or remove those from the equation entirely. I don't disagree with the premise, don't blame the Eagles defense for Bolton returning a fumble for a TD (I do blame the Eagles for at least 4 points after the Toney punt return TD, though. Free 3 points, yes, free TD, no. Defense had a chance to do their job there and didn't.) But you can't remove that and act as if everything else is the same. That Bolton TD which gave us 7 points also fed heavily into the time of possession difference and the lack of opportunities for our offense. If Bolton goes down immediately after recovering the fumble, the offense has a chance to make those points happen still. If you remove that TD entirely, you remove the points and are basically giving the Eagles D a free stop there by giving the Eagles back to back drives with nothing from the Chiefs in between. That does not represent how the Eagles D did against the Chiefs O anymore than the Bolton return TD does. That's why looking at efficiency per drive, which the Chiefs had a basically historic output in in that game, is a more accurate assessment than just removing the points and saying the Eagles D only allowed 24 all game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeptunePenguins Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Maybe I think. That 2015 Broncos defense was monstrous though. Holding Aaron Rodgers to 77 passing yards, hitting Brady like 18 times in a game IIRC, and embarrassing a 15-1 team led by MVP Cam Newton. They clowned elite QBs, unlike some top defenses that didn't really play the top tier QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 On 2/16/2023 at 6:03 PM, AFlaccoSeagulls said: It took two whole years from the 2013 Seahawks defense, which was historically great, to get the 2015 Broncos unit - which, let's be honest, in 10 years absolutely nobody is going to remember. So yes, we will absolutely see another "great" defense, most likely soon. it's strange how some great defences get forgotten. The Bucs on their SB run were great towards the end, and never get mentioned and look who they beat in the SB allowing only 9 points (not even a TD). I expect some really good defensive units, but not sure they will close the deal and win the SB. I also don't expect a team to consistently have the best defence for a few years in a row. Free agency and salary cap makes that difficult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr A W Niloc Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 If Baltimore drafts anywhere near as well in 2023 as in 2022 and in the albeit unlikely event that those players can remain healthy we could see such a defense this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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