General Tso Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Just Want A Title said: Jartavius Martin is a really good prospect in his own right. We only have CJGJ and Will Harris on one-year deals. Jartavius Martin is a lot like CJGJ: He can play slot CB or S at a high level. Basically, he can play just about anywhere in the secondary. We might get a bit of deja vu by taking an Illinois DB in the 3rd round. Honestly, just draft the whole Illinois secondary at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 8 hours ago, General Tso said: Honestly, just draft the whole Illinois secondary at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Want A Title Posted April 20, 2023 Author Share Posted April 20, 2023 I was listening to the podcast below and was surprised on the feedback on Christian Gonzalez. He was described as "not a knee cap biter" and "sees football as a job". It was a surprisingly negative assessment. Personally, I see a player that turns 21 in June 2023 and has a pretty high ceiling. He also seems to have a pretty high floor. Has this come up any where else? https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2023/04/20/detroit-lions-podcast-guest-emory-hunt-lions-draft-talk-goff-jamo-voluntary-workouts/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 S2 Cognition Test Results via Dov Kleiman via Bob McGinn Bryce Young - 98% Jake Haener - 96% Will Levis - 93% Jaren Hall - 93% Clayton Tune - 84% Anthony Richardson - 79% Hendon Hooker - 46% CJ Stroud - 18% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: S2 Cognition Test Results via Dov Kleiman via Bob McGinn Bryce Young - 98% Jake Haener - 96% Will Levis - 93% Jaren Hall - 93% Clayton Tune - 84% Anthony Richardson - 79% Hendon Hooker - 46% CJ Stroud - 18% TBH, I'm not familiar with the S2 test. Is it like a Wunderlic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Louis Friend said: TBH, I'm not familiar with the S2 test. Is it like a Wunderlic? https://dknation.draftkings.com/2023/4/21/23692636/s2-cognitive-test-explained-what-it-means-2023-nfl-draft Perception Speed Search Efficiency Tracking Capacity Visual Learning Instinctive Learning Decision Complexity Distraction Control Impulse Control Improvisation Quote “They want to see how fast you can recall things and notice certain things. On one of the [questions], you had to look at six balls that they highlighted and they move all over the screen. You had to pick out the balls and highlight them. I’m like, ‘How can I focus on six balls at once?’” [Anthony Richardson] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: https://dknation.draftkings.com/2023/4/21/23692636/s2-cognitive-test-explained-what-it-means-2023-nfl-draft Perception Speed Search Efficiency Tracking Capacity Visual Learning Instinctive Learning Decision Complexity Distraction Control Impulse Control Improvisation Interesting. So it's more in-line with cognitive skills and less overall quotient of intelligence. Hmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Want A Title Posted April 24, 2023 Author Share Posted April 24, 2023 This is a pretty good read on Christian Gonzalez. His RAS score of top notch and they highlight a lot of important stuff including his age. https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2023/4/24/23694693/2023-nfl-draft-why-detroit-lions-should-select-christian-gonzalez-cornerback-oregon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Just Want A Title said: This is a pretty good read on Christian Gonzalez. His RAS score of top notch and they highlight a lot of important stuff including his age. https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2023/4/24/23694693/2023-nfl-draft-why-detroit-lions-should-select-christian-gonzalez-cornerback-oregon Funny enough, everything that I have been hearing is that Gonzalez, while he fits the profile of a man corner, is better suited to a heavy zone scheme. On the opposite side, Witherspoon played in a zone scheme and would be better suited to playing man. Gonzalez is said to lack instincts and aggressiveness and can use his elite athleticism to make plays with everything in front of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Want A Title Posted April 24, 2023 Author Share Posted April 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Karnage84 said: Funny enough, everything that I have been hearing is that Gonzalez, while he fits the profile of a man corner, is better suited to a heavy zone scheme. On the opposite side, Witherspoon played in a zone scheme and would be better suited to playing man. Gonzalez is said to lack instincts and aggressiveness and can use his elite athleticism to make plays with everything in front of him. Personally, I think folks might be confusing "instincts" with experience. He was playing as good as any CB in the country by the end of the year and that includes Devon Witherspoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Just Want A Title said: Personally, I think folks might be confusing "instincts" with experience. He was playing as good as any CB in the country by the end of the year and that includes Devon Witherspoon. 2021 (Colorado) - Zone - 65.0 PFF (254 snaps); Man - 70.9 PFF (163 snaps); 0 INT's; 4 PBU's; 90.0 NFL QB Score 2022 (Oregon) - Zone - 80.4 PFF (268 snaps); Man - 64.3 PFF (112 snaps); 4 INT's; 6 PBU's; 74.7 NFL QB Score His best scores and production have been playing zone. Witherspoon 2021 (Illinois) - Zone - 67.6 PFF (122 snaps); Man - 62.2 PFF (182 snaps); 0 INT's; 6 PBU's; 86.9 NFL QB Score 2022 (Illinois) - Zone - 90.2 PFF (86 snaps); Man - 89.8 PFF (322 snaps); 3 INT's; 14 PBU's; 25.3 NFL QB Score 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Karnage84 said: 2021 (Colorado) - Zone - 65.0 PFF (254 snaps); Man - 70.9 PFF (163 snaps); 0 INT's; 4 PBU's; 90.0 NFL QB Score 2022 (Oregon) - Zone - 80.4 PFF (268 snaps); Man - 64.3 PFF (112 snaps); 4 INT's; 6 PBU's; 74.7 NFL QB Score His best scores and production have been playing zone. Witherspoon 2021 (Illinois) - Zone - 67.6 PFF (122 snaps); Man - 62.2 PFF (182 snaps); 0 INT's; 6 PBU's; 86.9 NFL QB Score 2022 (Illinois) - Zone - 90.2 PFF (86 snaps); Man - 89.8 PFF (322 snaps); 3 INT's; 14 PBU's; 25.3 NFL QB Score Yeah, Gonzalez is no slouch, but he's never played better than Witherspoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigC421/ Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 20 minutes ago, Louis Friend said: Yeah, Gonzalez is no slouch, but he's never played better than Witherspoon. Yes he has. Frankly it’s not even all that close. Witherspoon is closer to being the 3rd corner than 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 1 minute ago, BigC421/ said: Yes he has. Frankly it’s not even all that close. Witherspoon is closer to being the 3rd corner than 1st. Explain.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, BigC421/ said: Yes he has. Frankly it’s not even all that close. Witherspoon is closer to being the 3rd corner than 1st. Oooh I'd love to hear this. Please explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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