wackywabbit Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 2 hours ago, StatKing said: Hard to like a guy when he plays the victim card because he isn't getting the 200 million guaranteed he feels entitled to. The problem is that other people are playing the victim card for him. We don't actually hear anything that is definitively coming from Lamar. People not connected with him make stances as if they were his and everyone else makes straw-man arguments against them. Is there anything wrong with him NOT choosing to take the the Ravens best offer before being allowed to talk to other teams (next Monday). If he gets some more information, goes back to the Ravens with both sides having a good understanding of the market and completes a deal next week, isn't that a perfectly clean ending? He has not publicly tied himself to any statement or demand of XXX guaranteed. The only unusual bit here is the noise around the actual action and other teams seemingly feeling like they leak a report of a lack of interest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ThatJaxxenGuy Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, SmittyBacall said: Wow, Ravens fans really turning on Lamar. Didn’t see that coming. Some of us know that stats don’t exist in a universe independent of context and are still pro Lamar a lot of our fans think hating on players constantly then thumping their chest that they are “better” than other fans makes them genius. Then they say how much smarter they are the odd time they are right (such as when our receivers suck) but then disappear when reality shows they’re just angry and clueless (such as hating on Judon for years on end). Basically it’s an exhausting cycle where our emotional fans think a player is only as good as his worst recent play because being optimistic or not committing negative emotional energy to watching sports makes you “stupid” or “naive” Edited March 8, 2023 by ThatJaxxenGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackywabbit Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, goldfishwars said: Yep, which is why it's ridiculous that so many FANS have taken up the mantle of owners here is saying their teams can't compete if they guarantee their QB a contract. Guaranteed percentage only affects the cap if the player gets cut, and rarely do QBs, even those considered busts at top of market deals, get cut and even then at the very end of their deals. If owners don't want to park massive amounts of money in escrow, that's their right with their money, but it's not really about winning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 15 hours ago, wackywabbit said: There's likely no collusion. Teams are probably lying if they suggest they won't consider exploring an offer though. By the letter of the law, there's collusion in the league constantly. It just doesn't matter. "Collusion" is any action/statement a team makes to reduce the competitive market for a player. So if someone asks Andy Reid if he's looking to get in the premium QB market and he says "we like Patrick Mahomes", technically, that's a form of collusion. He's implying "the Chiefs are not interested in spending $100MM on a QB". Which technically, could be viewed as limiting the market for the Derek Carrs of the world. But 99.999% of collusion does not matter because it's teams confirming things that everyone else already knows. As long as Lamar is asking for somewhere around double the guarantee that his performance warrants, people are going to talk about it, and if you're an NFL decision maker almost anything you say could be considered collusion in some form or another. But none of it will matter because no team would meet his demands. If the Falcons tweeted, "we'd go to $165MM guaranteed for Lamar", that'd be a totally different conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 21 minutes ago, goldfishwars said: For all the finance geniuses who have asked to be paid in Bitcoin, why hasn't someone asked to be paid in shares of an S&P 500 index fund based on a price when the contract is signed or something like that so that the money in escrow could grow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 7 hours ago, Nobellythrower said: Well yeah that's like taking away anyone best szn why apply it to lamar, it's already reported he's not asking for a fully gtd so you can stop saying that, win % does mean something that's the reason you pay him, you can say he was regressing last szn but anyone who watches film says otherwises it was going to be his best szn yet film wise coming from 19, also if regressing is being top 5 qb by your peers that's elite, and regressing that's plays a part of gro system, and lowest paid offense around him If everyone truly believed what you just said here teams would be falling over themselves trying to sign him. So, why aren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: For all the finance geniuses who have asked to be paid in Bitcoin, why hasn't someone asked to be paid in shares of an S&P 500 index fund based on a price when the contract is signed or something like that so that the money in escrow could grow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobellythrower Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: If everyone truly believed what you just said here teams would be falling over themselves trying to sign him. So, why aren't they? Obviously the contract he seeks, it would make the deshuan contract a norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 27 minutes ago, wackywabbit said: Yep, which is why it's ridiculous that so many FANS have taken up the mantle of owners here is saying their teams can't compete if they guarantee their QB a contract. Guaranteed percentage only affects the cap if the player gets cut, and rarely do QBs, even those considered busts at top of market deals, get cut and even then at the very end of their deals. If owners don't want to park massive amounts of money in escrow, that's their right with their money, but it's not really about winning. I don’t think fans realise how cash poor a lot of NFL owners are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, Nobellythrower said: Obviously the contract he seeks, it would make the deshuan contract a norm. I mean, if this was Joe Burrow wanting the same contract do you think teams would be this hesitant? Why or why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobellythrower Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: I mean, if this was Joe Burrow wanting the same contract do you think teams would be this hesitant? Why or why not? Yes, fyi joe burrow is better then lamar it's having watson contract as the norm for top market qb's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Just now, Nobellythrower said: Yes, fyi joe burrow is better then lamar it's having watson contract as the norm for top market qb's. Of course Burrow is better than Lamar, but Burrow is going to get a fully GTD deal precisely because of that reason. Teams aren't dishing out 2 FRP's + a fully GTD deal for a guy with actual valid QB concerns + injury concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobellythrower Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 minute ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Of course Burrow is better than Lamar, but Burrow is going to get a fully GTD deal precisely because of that reason. Teams aren't dishing out 2 FRP's + a fully GTD deal for a guy with actual valid QB concerns + injury concerns. No burrow is not getting fully gtd, which isn't what lamar wants anyways otherwise burrow would get it by now, If I gave advice to lamar simply wait for herbert who isn't better then him. injury are a concern yes, but pretty sure teams aren't going to run him through stacked boxes like gro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilenFroggen Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 hour ago, warfelg said: There’s definitely a chicken and egg game happening with those QBs and franchises. Baltimore wants Burrow to sign fast so they have leverage with Lamar on guarantees, and Lamar wants Burrow to wait so he doesn’t lose the leverage. But if you are Burrow the same can go the other way - you want Lamar to sign to set the floor of a deal, but if you are Cincy you don’t want Lamar to sign so no bar is set. Lamar and Burrow are colluding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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