ramssuperbowl99 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, kgarrett12486 said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but if your primary residence is in Florida and you report that you live there more than half the year, then you don't get taxed at the state your employer resides in. I could be wrong though... Residency for taxes works differently for athletes. They pay taxes based on where they are each day. So Stanton being in Miami means he gets 81 home games plus some travel days where he has Florida residency and pays no income tax, and then is paying taxes based on the tax in the state he's playing in for the other 81 home games and other travel days. So, assuming the road games and travel days are mostly a wash, Stanton would be replacing half his season of state income tax free living in Miami with whatever Missouri's state income tax is. Edited November 14, 2017 by ramssuperbowl99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLunatic88 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Residency for taxes works differently for athletes. They pay taxes based on where they are each day. So Stanton being in Miami means he gets 81 home games plus some travel days where he has Florida residency and pays no income tax, and then is paying taxes based on the tax in the state he's playing in for the other 81 home games and other travel days. So, assuming the road games and travel days are mostly a wash, Stanton would be replacing half his season of state income tax free living in Miami with whatever Missouri's state income tax is. Except staying in Miami isnt really an option unless he wants to continue to lose? There is no way Maimi would have gotten this far down the road of a trade without knowing he would be waiving the NTC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 2 hours ago, StLunatic88 said: Except staying in Miami isnt really an option unless he wants to continue to lose? There is no way Maimi would have gotten this far down the road of a trade without knowing he would be waiving the NTC @ttitansfan4life asked why on earth he'd use his NTC. Those are 2 legitimate financial reasons. Maybe he's just so sick of losing that he'll waive it without any of his costs offset, maybe he'd be willing to waive it for some, maybe he'd need to remain completely whole financially. We don't know. That said, FO's can and do engage in trade talks without talking to the player about waiving a NTC. The Marlins are going to do this because even if the Cardinals/Giants/whomever are destinations that Stanton won't go to, them being involved adds another buyer who may give a better offer that the Marlins can use as leverage to pry more prospects out of a team that Stanton would waive his NTC for. More generally, though, teams tend to get an agreement before formally contacting the player. That's what happened when Jonathan Lucroy's trade to Cleveland was nixed. There's also this: http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/2017/11/jennings_dont_bet_on_red_sox_trading_for_giancarlo_stanton A baseball source said yesterday that he’s been told Stanton will not accept a trade to either the Red Sox or the Cardinals, another team linked early and often in trade rumors. Perhaps there’s some flexibility in that stance, but Stanton’s preference is a factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgarrett12486 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 And now we have conflicting reports, saying he's completely open to possible suitors... Quote According to Evan Drellich of NBC Sports Boston, Giancarlo Stanton "is said to have a 'completely' open mind about teams interested to trade for him." Drellich cites "a person with knowledge of Stanton’s thinking" as his source. Chad Jennings of the Boston Herald reported Tuesday morning that the 28-year-old slugger would not waive his full no-trade clause for a move to the Red Sox or Cardinals Morale of the story, we know as much now as we did before; nothing lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgarrett12486 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 What would you guys think about Chris Tillman on a 1 year deal to rebuild his value? Quote ESPN's Jerry Crasnick hears that free agent right-hander Chris Tillman is looking for a one-year deal. Crasnick says the low expectations from Tillman have "enhanced his appeal to MLB teams in search of starting help." Tillman, 29, struggled to a 7.84 ERA in 19 starts and five relief appearances this summer with the Orioles, but he registered a 3.81 ERA in 143 starts between 2012-2016. He'll look to re-establish his value next season He averaged 189 IP the previous 4 seasons prior to 2017 and put up decently good numbers in a very hitter friendly AL EAST and home park. A move to the NL would theoretically help... Seems like he could be had at a very reasonable cost and he could help fill the BOR and eat some innings. If he pitched well, we could even look to flip him near the deadline if the young arms were ready to take on a bigger role... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 8 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: 2 reasons: 1. Florida has no state income tax, so Stanton would be losing on a lot of money if he went to a state and ended up paying 5 or 6% income tax. 2. He has a no-trade as leverage. Any team who acquires him is sinking $300M, prospects, and an opt-out landmine into him. That might be half a billion dollars into his acquisition. Is that team who's in for half a billion really going to say no, because he'll only come if his club option is picked up? If he thinks no, why not make a team entice him and get a couple extra bucks? For the first point, the common line of thinking is that Stanton doesn't have a strong desire to remain in Miami especially during a rebuild/retool. If a few million was that big of a deal to him, he would have essentially already came out and said he wouldn't accept a trade. I'd have to imagine that the prospect of winning far trumps the few more million he'll make in Miami as opposed to say Los Angeles or St. Louis. That team option is significantly further in the future, I highly doubt that the option being picked up is going to be heavily discussed. IF anything, I'd imagine they'd make some sort of concession where either part of that buyout from the TO in 2028 is moved to the opt-out date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 4 hours ago, kgarrett12486 said: What would you guys think about Chris Tillman on a 1 year deal to rebuild his value? He averaged 189 IP the previous 4 seasons prior to 2017 and put up decently good numbers in a very hitter friendly AL EAST and home park. A move to the NL would theoretically help... Seems like he could be had at a very reasonable cost and he could help fill the BOR and eat some innings. If he pitched well, we could even look to flip him near the deadline if the young arms were ready to take on a bigger role... Not exactly sure that Tillman is the guy the Cardinals should be targeting. Best case scenario, you're probably looking at a ~2 WAR SP. Honestly, I'd rather just roll with our current rotation if we're not going to sign a bigger named FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holt_bruce81 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) Quote Over dinner in the city Fowler calls home in the offseason, Mozeliak assured the outfielder that the team had no interest in trading him this winter, but come spring training he should be prepared for a possible move from center field to a corner position, such as left field. Mozeliak wanted to be sure the veteran, who has played all but one inning of his big-league career in center, understood the team’s thinking and how they saw a way to improve the defense. Quote The quest to acquire starting pitching is “not a huge focus for us,” Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak said Tuesday. Mozeliak said that, ideally, potential starter Alex Reyes could begin his season in the bullpen and perhaps not even pitch for the Cardinals until May 1 so as to make him available late in the year. Quote As the Cardinals continue to pursue several options for the middle-order bat they covet, the team has told Matt Carpenter that he should be prepared to play multiple positions in 2018 and not be tethered to one role or one base. "I think we have to be a little more open-minded on how we think about (Carpenter's position)," said John Mozeliak, the Cardinals' president of baseball operations. "A lot is going to depend on how things evolve this offseason." Edited November 15, 2017 by holt_bruce81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgarrett12486 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Like to hear that about Fowler. That Mo went straight to him face/face and told him the plan to upgrade defensively in CF. That's the right way to go about it... Speaking of Fowler, Mark Saxon was on radio yesterday with an interesting comment. He said last year all the talk early on was that we were pressing hard to get Adam Eaton among the industry, but he said that when he talked w/ his sources during that time, they called the interest a smokescreen and that it was being 'overblown' that they really had their eye on another target (Fowler). He said the sources said there was a plan to keep pushing the Eaton news in order to keep their interest in Fowler seem minimal... Wonder if it's going to be similar situation now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holt_bruce81 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Apparently we offered Logan Morrison a contract....Not sure how I feel about that. Seems pretty gross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 @holt_bruce81 My initial thought with the whole Carpenter as a pseudo-sub wasn't going to work IF the Cardinals wanted to get him significant innings/PA at 1B. If they go and sign a big-ticketed FA like Hosmer, they're committing ~600 PA to him at 1B. Last year, our 1B got 1106 PA with Carpenter accounting for 622 of them. Figure you give those same number to Hosmer, and you've got 480 PA to split between Carp and Martinez. At 2B, we had 761 PA from our 2B with Kolten Wong taking 411 of them. That's another ~200 PA that you can probably assign to Carpenter. And then at 3B, you've got 878 PA from our players with Jedd Gyorko accounting for 481 of those. That's ~400 PA from 3B you could give to Carpenter, along with the 100 PA you get from him at 1B and 2B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, holt_bruce81 said: Apparently we offered Logan Morrison a contract....Not sure how I feel about that. Seems pretty gross. Don't like it, but figure he's probably more reasonable than Hosmer. Depends on the price tag I guess. Dave Cameron is projecting 2 years, $24M and the crowd source has him at 2 years, $26M. I'm not overly opposed to that, but I don't like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-23-prospects-st-louis-cardinals/ FanGraphs has our top 23 prospects out. Apparently we are the first team. Just a few thoughts on this. ~They really like Jose Adolis Garcia, but bullish on Tyler O'Neill. They're really bullish on Dakota Hudson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holt_bruce81 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 8 minutes ago, CWood21 said: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-23-prospects-st-louis-cardinals/ FanGraphs has our top 23 prospects out. Apparently we are the first team. Just a few thoughts on this. ~They really like Jose Adolis Garcia, but bullish on Tyler O'Neill. They're really bullish on Dakota Hudson. Yikes Delvin Perez.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgarrett12486 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Rumor mill for today: Quote According to Jon Morosi of MLB Network, the Rays and Cardinals have discussed a possible Alex Colome trade. and Quote Jon Morosi of MLB Network confirms that the Cardinals and Marlins discussed "trade concepts" involving Giancarlo Stanton at the GM Meetings on Wednesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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