NYRaider Posted March 29, 2023 Author Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 minute ago, big_palooka said: WR2 was a big need. They got one, while getting a 3rd round pick for Waller. CB will be addressed in the draft as it's a deep class. Have good depth there with potential at the 2 spot, need a #1. Waller was basically our WR2 though, we just needed another guy with speed that could occasionally win on the outside. They traded for an elite #1 with Adams, extended Waller to be the 2nd option, and extended Renfrow to be the third guy. How many targets was a 4th guy aka a "WR2" going to get if we kept Waller? He would've been the 4th option in the passing game. As you said contract value says how a team and the rest of the league feels about players. So not sure why a guard like Isaac was overrated for getting a big deal but guys that got minimum deals at CB are good depth and potential starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 29, 2023 Author Share Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, big_palooka said: This can happen post draft. Still several serviceable options at Oline and Dline. No need to sign one before the draft. OG are relatively easy to grab in the draft day 3. Lots of Dline depth in the class. Good teams around the league don't have any issue investing money into their OL / defense. Based on Ziegler's comments he didn't view either as a real need. They could've just given out minimum deals to WR and a QB then taken some guys in the 4-7th rounds, that'd be enough right? Edited March 29, 2023 by NYRaider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 29 minutes ago, NYRaider said: WR wasn't a huge need and that's where they've been most invested. QB/TE weren't needs coming into the off-season, they created those holes and then filled them. CB seems to be a wash at best at this point letting Rock walk and replacing him with a bunch of minimum guys that haven't ever been in full time roles. This. I don't actually dislike any of the WR signings individually. Where I take issue is that they've put a lot of roster space and money into stockpiling WRs at the expense of other positions of need. We know that not all 10 or 11 WRs we currently have are making the roster. We could've done without the overall investment into 3 or 4 of them and used the roster space and money elsewhere. Adams, Meyers, Renfrow, and 3 of our signings + any draft picks and/or Adidas would have been fine. Cole, Dorsett, Johnson, Sims, Zuber, Turner, Carter, Lacy. That's like 1/10 of our entire preseason roster space. 8 spaces and $4,212,500 in cap space, not counting Carter's contract as I can't find the fine details on it, all for probably 6 out of the 8 of them to be virtually automatic cuts, 5 if we move Renfrow. That's a lot of wasted allocation when we have the other holes, and it's not like FA's were breaking the bank this year. Last I counted, our roster was at 73 and we have 12 draft picks. Not a whole lot of wiggle room financially or in terms of cap space to grab post draft cuts without cutting bait with a lot of guys before camp even starts. It's just not been a series of wise moves at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 16 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: This. I don't actually dislike any of the WR signings individually. Where I take issue is that they've put a lot of roster space and money into stockpiling WRs at the expense of other positions of need. We know that not all 10 or 11 WRs we currently have are making the roster. We could've done without the overall investment into 3 or 4 of them and used the roster space and money elsewhere. Adams, Meyers, Renfrow, and 3 of our signings + any draft picks and/or Adidas would have been fine. Cole, Dorsett, Johnson, Sims, Zuber, Turner, Carter, Lacy. That's like 1/10 of our entire preseason roster space. 8 spaces and $4,212,500 in cap space, not counting Carter's contract as I can't find the fine details on it, all for probably 6 out of the 8 of them to be virtually automatic cuts, 5 if we move Renfrow. That's a lot of wasted allocation when we have the other holes, and it's not like FA's were breaking the bank this year. Last I counted, our roster was at 73 and we have 12 draft picks. Not a whole lot of wiggle room financially or in terms of cap space to grab post draft cuts without cutting bait with a lot of guys before camp even starts. It's just not been a series of wise moves at all. Should have told Cole to kick rocks and I expect Renfrow to he traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 29, 2023 Author Share Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Adams, Meyers, Renfrow, and 3 of our signings + any draft picks and/or Adidas would have been fine. Assuming our top 3 all stay healthy, how much are any of the other guys going to even play? It'll be like the 5 RB's we carried and didn't use last year, but thankfully we had all 5 and only carried 8 OL. Edited March 29, 2023 by NYRaider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 3 hours ago, bucksavage1 said: It’s obvious all these WRs we signed aren’t making the team w/exception of Meyers. Unless we trade Renfrow, Only 3 are making it Dorsett/Cole/Carter/Sims/Turner/Johnson Yeah and Sims could be tried at TE imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, raidr4life said: Yeah and Sims could be tried at TE imo. That’s a good point. Sims could be playing hybrid roles. Also lined up similar like Waller was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 29, 2023 Author Share Posted March 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, raidr4life said: Yeah and Sims could be tried at TE imo. Can he play LB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Can he play LB? Trent Simpson can, so can Drew Sanders and Jack Campbell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 29, 2023 Author Share Posted March 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, raidr4life said: Trent Simpson can, so can Drew Sanders and Jack Campbell. I'm glad there are some LB's out there still. Looking at our approach to the position it's easy to forget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 13 minutes ago, NYRaider said: I'm glad there are some LB's out there still. Looking at our approach to the position it's easy to forget. Nah you're just impatient. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 29, 2023 Author Share Posted March 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, raidr4life said: Nah you're just impatient. That's true. Ziegler and McDaniels have shown enough to deserve 100% patience and belief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) I can't wait until McDaniels and Ziegler are gone and we can go back to hiring TV personalities so some of you will shut up finally. Edited March 29, 2023 by big_palooka 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 29, 2023 Author Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 minute ago, big_palooka said: I can't wait until McDaniels and Ziegler are gone and we can go back to hiring TV personalities. That'll show 'em. The High School guidance counselor route is definitely looking questionable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiderlife24 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, NYRaider said: The High School guidance counselor route is definitely looking questionable. Lol NY you're a Goof. It is hard to take you serious most of the time but you can be funny. Edited March 29, 2023 by Raiderlife24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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