BackinBlack Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said: We don’t have to trade to 1. Cause whoever drafts Caleb is probably disappointed anyways. But we need to trade into the Top 5 and we’ll probably be picking around 13 at the rate this season is going. Yeah which is fine, but just point blank you can’t say it’s always worth it. especially for a bad team like Carolina that knew they’d struggle this year too. At least currently we have a decent roster, and I doubt we’d be trading away a top 3 pick the following year. im all for waiting to see if someone falls and then moving up it’s a qb we like. I don’t want to force it though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 I really need to understand how McCarthy got into the top QB prospect conversation. He barely plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Penix gives me Geno Smith vibes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said: We don’t have to trade to 1. Cause whoever drafts Caleb is probably disappointed anyways. But we need to trade into the Top 5 and we’ll probably be picking around 13 at the rate this season is going. Over the last decade teams that have traded up for a QB: 2011 - Jaguars (Blake Bortles / #10) 2012 - Redskins (RG3 / #2) 2016 - Rams (Goff / #1) / Eagles (Wentz / #2) 2017 - Bears (Trubisky / #3) / Chiefs (Mahomes / #10) / Texans (Watson / #12) 2018 - Jets (Darnold / #3) / Bills (Allen/#7) / Cardinals (Rosen / #10) 2021 - 49ers (Lance / #3) / Bears (Fields / #11) 2023 - Panthers (Young / #1) ------- Outside of Mahomes/Allen do you think any of those teams are happy that they traded up / it worked out for them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, Rich7sena said: I really need to understand how McCarthy got into the top QB prospect conversation. He barely plays. It's a traits based business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: It's a traits based business Does McCarthy have great traits? What are those? He looks like an average athlete with an average to below-average arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Rich7sena said: Does McCarthy have great traits? What are those? He looks like an average athlete with an average to below-average arm. Above average arm and athleticism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 32 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: Yeah which is fine, but just point blank you can’t say it’s always worth it. especially for a bad team like Carolina that knew they’d struggle this year too. At least currently we have a decent roster, and I doubt we’d be trading away a top 3 pick the following year. im all for waiting to see if someone falls and then moving up it’s a qb we like. I don’t want to force it though. You can’t have that mentality of “you never know”. Gamblers win in this league, you have to be aggressive. No risk no reward. All or nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 12 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Above average arm and athleticism Even if I were to agree, is that enough to make him a first rounder? Do you think his film is impressive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 10 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said: You can’t have that mentality of “you never know”. Gamblers win in this league, you have to be aggressive. No risk no reward. All or nothing. I get it, but it has to be calculated risks. I feel like Carolina had said they are doing whatever it takes to get to #1, could they’ve kept DJ Moore or potentially their first, and traded a second instead to move to #2? im all for risk, but, at the right time. If we pick 13, and to get into the top 5 costs me Maxx I’m not doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 18 hours ago, jimkelly02 said: I’d throw Quinn Ewers in the 2nd round and say Penix is more likely to be a 1st rounder IMO but could go Round 2. I think round 2 is where we find our QBotF Too many teams need QB's so I think 5 go in the 1st round. I like Maye's size over Williams and would rather give up less moving to 2nd 3rd pick than what it would take to get #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaKid7 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Ewers? Count me out on him. I'm not sure what he's shown to be anywhere in the day 1/2 conversation. Big name and a big arm but other than that? Not for me. If it's not Maye/Williams in round 1 I'd much rather wait until round 2-3 and take the best value out of JJ/Daniels/Penix. Not a big Nix guy but my Oregon hate definitely gets in the way of that. Dream scenario would be Daniels/Penix in round 3 and then go into '24 with AOC and rookie battling it out for the #1 job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Worth noting: Quote In the five drafts from 2018 to 2022, 15 quarterbacks were picked in the top 15. As of this morning, eight have either failed or been average or worse: Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, Mac Jones, Dwayne Haskins, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen. The jury’s out on two more, Daniel Jones and Kyler Murray. Only five—Burrow, Herbert, Tagovailoa, Allen, Lawrence—are solid starters or better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 27 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said: You can’t have that mentality of “you never know”. Gamblers win in this league, you have to be aggressive. No risk no reward. All or nothing. Desperate teams usually get hosed. Got to pick your spots. Cant just give up everything to take a QB for the sake of taking one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 15 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: I get it, but it has to be calculated risks. I feel like Carolina had said they are doing whatever it takes to get to #1, could they’ve kept DJ Moore or potentially their first, and traded a second instead to move to #2? im all for risk, but, at the right time. If we pick 13, and to get into the top 5 costs me Maxx I’m not doing it. DJ Moore is so overrated. Boom/bust WR that disappears from entire games often. As for draft picks, their just draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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