big_palooka Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Tank4Drake said: DJ Moore is so overrated. Boom/bust WR that disappears from entire games often. As for draft picks, their just draft picks. The teams that best use their draft picks are the most talented teams in the game. Eagles, Chiefs, Ravens, 49ers, etc. "there just draft picks" doesn't really apply to a team who misses on 85% of theirs and has holes all over the roster. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, Geezy said: Desperate teams usually get hosed. Got to pick your spots. Cant just give up everything to take a QB for the sake of taking one. Depends if you love the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Just now, big_palooka said: The teams that best use their draft picks are the most talented teams in the game. Eagles, Chiefs, Ravens, 49ers, etc. "there just draft picks" doesn't really apply to a team who misses on 85% of theirs and has holes all over the roster. Yes, but when it comes to getting your QB’s, it just doesn’t matter. A true franchise QB is worth double digit first round picks. They are a cheat code. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said: DJ Moore is so overrated. Boom/bust WR that disappears from entire games often. As for draft picks, they’re just draft picks. Or is he similar to mcclauren where qb play has held his career back? Think that is at least a fair argument for DJ Moore. Put him on KC and all of a sudden people think he’s top 10 guaranteed. yes they are just draft picks, but, best teams build through the draft. So you’re trading away your best picks for 2 years or so, when you have a cheap qb deal. I just believe you need to have your long term gm / coach in place before going all in, because if not, new coach or gm will come in and ask for their guy at qb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styrian Raider Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 6 hours ago, big_palooka said: The teams that best use their draft picks are the most talented teams in the game. Eagles, Chiefs, Ravens, 49ers, etc. "there just draft picks" doesn't really apply to a team who misses on 85% of theirs and has holes all over the roster. Especially the Ravens draft amazingly. Last year they got away with Hamilton and Linderbaum. Both were seen as the Nr.1 prospect at their position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 11 hours ago, big_palooka said: Worth noting: Yup I said that this past offseason. At best it's the lottery. At worst it's a shot in the dark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 11 hours ago, Tank4Drake said: Yes, but when it comes to getting your QB’s, it just doesn’t matter. A true franchise QB is worth double digit first round picks. They are a cheat code. Sure, but the draft is still a gamble. The hit rate is ~33% from 2018-2022 on QBs taken in round 1. ~77% chance of missing on your franchise QB. Now, if you are the 49ers (Lance) and you're stacked with talent and draft capital, those picks you sacrificed are not as detrimental. If you're the Raiders, you miss it can have a rippling effect on your roster. Point is, you have to be 100% convinced. You can't take a swing just to take a swing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 14 hours ago, G said: Too many teams need QB's so I think 5 go in the 1st round. I like Maye's size over Williams and would rather give up less moving to 2nd 3rd pick than what it would take to get #1. We always say this and it never happens. Teams have never been less likely to reach for a QB in the first round. QBs routinely go lower than where they are projected pre-draft (especially those projected to go mid-late first). Williams and Maye are locked in top-3 picks, but I would bet on only one other QB going in the first round. Outside of a trade-up for Williams or Maye, I wouldn't hate the Raiders taking Jayden Daniels in the top 15. Of the projected second-round guys, I like Nix the most. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 45 minutes ago, Rich7sena said: We always say this and it never happens. Teams have never been less likely to reach for a QB in the first round. QBs routinely go lower than where they are projected pre-draft (especially those projected to go mid-late first). Williams and Maye are locked in top-3 picks, but I would bet on only one other QB going in the first round. Outside of a trade-up for Williams or Maye, I wouldn't hate the Raiders taking Jayden Daniels in the top 15. Of the projected second-round guys, I like Nix the most. I tend to agree, but I don't remember a time when this many teams needed a QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 16 hours ago, Tank4Drake said: DJ Moore is so overrated. Boom/bust WR that disappears from entire games often. As for draft picks, their just draft picks. The Panthers essentially traded: DJ Moore, Darnell Wright, Tyrique Stevenson, Caleb Williams, and a second round pick for Bryce Young. Moore is a stud but has suffered from horrendous QB play throughout his career, almost every elite WR is pretty boom or bust. He's on pace for like 1,400 yards/9 TD this year despite playing with Fields and Bagnet, he'll be CW's best friend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 16 hours ago, big_palooka said: The teams that best use their draft picks are the most talented teams in the game. Eagles, Chiefs, Ravens, 49ers, etc. "there just draft picks" doesn't really apply to a team who misses on 85% of theirs and has holes all over the roster. It's just DJ Moore, a franchise OT, a starting CB, the chance to draft Maye/Williams, and a future 2nd, it's fine! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 18 hours ago, big_palooka said: The teams that best use their draft picks are the most talented teams in the game. Eagles, Chiefs, Ravens, 49ers, etc. "there just draft picks" doesn't really apply to a team who misses on 85% of theirs and has holes all over the roster. San Fran just obliterates the competition by racking up like 8 3rd rounders per year, too. I'm jealous of them for that. Rack up enough picks and eventually you'll have a bunch of good, solid players. Seems like they've been doing that for a few years now, and it looks to be paying off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/13/2023 at 7:30 PM, Tank4Drake said: Yes, but when it comes to getting your QB’s, it just doesn’t matter. A true franchise QB is worth double digit first round picks. They are a cheat code. Double digits first round picks? What?!? Your ridiculous and I don’t think that idea merits further response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 11 hours ago, ronjon1990 said: San Fran just obliterates the competition by racking up like 8 3rd rounders per year, too. I'm jealous of them for that. Rack up enough picks and eventually you'll have a bunch of good, solid players. Seems like they've been doing that for a few years now, and it looks to be paying off. As we’ve both said numerous times in the past, we gotta draft better. But part of drafting well isn’t just who you select but also using the draft capital frugally. We’ve constantly reached for a player and didn’t trade down first or take them a round later. Example, we could have traded down or waited til our next pick and taken Tre Tucker. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styrian Raider Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 4 hours ago, jimkelly02 said: As we’ve both said numerous times in the past, we gotta draft better. But part of drafting well isn’t just who you select but also using the draft capital frugally. We’ve constantly reached for a player and didn’t trade down first or take them a round later. Example, we could have traded down or waited til our next pick and taken Tre Tucker. Those things are always easier said than done. FWIW Mayock said he tried to both trade up for Bosa or Williams and down. Couldn't find a trade partner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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