Chargers C Corey Linsley placed on IR with non-emergent heart issue

[Xenos]

What is the difference?

Edited October 3, 2023 by Xenos

[Xenos]

On 9/29/2023 at 1:55 PM, RaidersAreOne said:

 

What’s the difference?

https://twitter.com/danielrpopper/status/1708221334822776986

[Ty21]

Can the nfl start testing moms to make sure they’re not giving their sons bad hearts 

[kramxel]

2 hours ago, Ty21 said:

Can the nfl start testing moms to make sure they’re not giving their sons bad hearts 

Is this supposed to be funny?

 

[ramssuperbowl99]

On 10/1/2023 at 9:04 AM, SteelKing728 said:

Is there any way the NFL can test for this?

I'll actually answer this. Diagnostic tools for heart events are pretty limited in scope.

The least invasive/expensive way is an ECG/EKG, which gives a readout the electrical activity that dictates your heartbeat. This helps determine some useful things like risk for an irregular heartbeat, but you're only getting the electrical data which means there are many conditions that will show up with a normal result, and you're only taking the test for a few beats so there's a massive amount of information we aren't capturing.

You can take a portable EKG with you, this is called Holter monitoring and is used among other things during clinical trials to make sure the EKG isn't missing anything in the patients. If the NFL wanted to expand heart diagnostic access, this is probably the route.

Otherwise, the tests start getting very specific. You can use an echocardiogram (ECG, hence using EKG above) to determine if there are any holes in the heart or valve issues, but again that's a limited diagnosis.

The gold standard is going to be a CT scan or MRI, which is super specific and only going to be ordered based on physical symptoms.

 

There are blood tests we can do, but often the biomarkers that we're looking for only show up after the damage has been done. So this is okay if we want to know what type of heart attack someone had, but it's not preventative. Similarly, you can get a cardiac catheter, but that involves sending a tube into your heart so it's not diagnostic.

The heart is purely soft tissue and is a tough place to get to logistically in the body. Not easy to find a test that is preventative and comprehensive, which is why we unfortunately tend to rely on people recognizing physical symptoms when stuff goes wrong.

On 10/1/2023 at 10:49 AM, G said:

If there was...Do you really think 'they' would want to?!? lol 

Uhhh...yes? Heart attacks suck we should prevent as many as possible.

On 10/1/2023 at 2:56 PM, Xenos said:

You’re right, it’s probably COVID. Linsley was sick the last few days and we know COVID greatly increases the chances of heart problems.

Possibly, but cardiac side effects are rare both before and after COVID, so just because COVID is a new option doesn't mean that's what happened here.

[Calamity_Cometh]

8 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

I'll actually answer this. Diagnostic tools for heart events are pretty limited in scope.

The least invasive/expensive way is an ECG/EKG, which gives a readout the electrical activity that dictates your heartbeat. This helps determine some useful things like risk for an irregular heartbeat, but you're only getting the electrical data which means there are many conditions that will show up with a normal result, and you're only taking the test for a few beats so there's a massive amount of information we aren't capturing.

You can take a portable EKG with you, this is called Holter monitoring and is used among other things during clinical trials to make sure the EKG isn't missing anything in the patients. If the NFL wanted to expand heart diagnostic access, this is probably the route.

Otherwise, the tests start getting very specific. You can use an echocardiogram (ECG, hence using EKG above) to determine if there are any holes in the heart or valve issues, but again that's a limited diagnosis.

The gold standard is going to be a CT scan or MRI, which is super specific and only going to be ordered based on physical symptoms.

 

There are blood tests we can do, but often the biomarkers that we're looking for only show up after the damage has been done. So this is okay if we want to know what type of heart attack someone had, but it's not preventative. Similarly, you can get a cardiac catheter, but that involves sending a tube into your heart so it's not diagnostic.

The heart is purely soft tissue and is a tough place to get to logistically in the body. Not easy to find a test that is preventative and comprehensive, which is why we unfortunately tend to rely on people recognizing physical symptoms when stuff goes wrong.

Uhhh...yes? Heart attacks suck we should prevent as many as possible.

Possibly, but cardiac side effects are rare both before and after COVID, so just because COVID is a new option doesn't mean that's what happened here.

I appreciate knowledge like this. Thank you.

[SteelKing728]

10 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

I'll actually answer this. Diagnostic tools for heart events are pretty limited in scope.

The least invasive/expensive way is an ECG/EKG, which gives a readout the electrical activity that dictates your heartbeat. This helps determine some useful things like risk for an irregular heartbeat, but you're only getting the electrical data which means there are many conditions that will show up with a normal result, and you're only taking the test for a few beats so there's a massive amount of information we aren't capturing.

You can take a portable EKG with you, this is called Holter monitoring and is used among other things during clinical trials to make sure the EKG isn't missing anything in the patients. If the NFL wanted to expand heart diagnostic access, this is probably the route.

Otherwise, the tests start getting very specific. You can use an echocardiogram (ECG, hence using EKG above) to determine if there are any holes in the heart or valve issues, but again that's a limited diagnosis.

The gold standard is going to be a CT scan or MRI, which is super specific and only going to be ordered based on physical symptoms.

 

There are blood tests we can do, but often the biomarkers that we're looking for only show up after the damage has been done. So this is okay if we want to know what type of heart attack someone had, but it's not preventative. Similarly, you can get a cardiac catheter, but that involves sending a tube into your heart so it's not diagnostic.

The heart is purely soft tissue and is a tough place to get to logistically in the body. Not easy to find a test that is preventative and comprehensive, which is why we unfortunately tend to rely on people recognizing physical symptoms when stuff goes wrong.

Uhhh...yes? Heart attacks suck we should prevent as many as possible.

Possibly, but cardiac side effects are rare both before and after COVID, so just because COVID is a new option doesn't mean that's what happened here.

This was the answer I was looking for, and yet everybody thought it was an anti-vax post.

(BTW, those of you who said so, the joke is on you. I was being serious!)

[G]

On 10/3/2023 at 6:39 PM, ramssuperbowl99 said:

I'll actually answer this. Diagnostic tools for heart events are pretty limited in scope.

The least invasive/expensive way is an ECG/EKG, which gives a readout the electrical activity that dictates your heartbeat. This helps determine some useful things like risk for an irregular heartbeat, but you're only getting the electrical data which means there are many conditions that will show up with a normal result, and you're only taking the test for a few beats so there's a massive amount of information we aren't capturing.

You can take a portable EKG with you, this is called Holter monitoring and is used among other things during clinical trials to make sure the EKG isn't missing anything in the patients. If the NFL wanted to expand heart diagnostic access, this is probably the route.

Otherwise, the tests start getting very specific. You can use an echocardiogram (ECG, hence using EKG above) to determine if there are any holes in the heart or valve issues, but again that's a limited diagnosis.

The gold standard is going to be a CT scan or MRI, which is super specific and only going to be ordered based on physical symptoms.

 

 

 

Uhhh...yes? Heart attacks suck we should prevent as many as possible.

 

That's why I eat well enough, exercise daily, deep breathing, meditate and know my body well enough to notice if something is 'off.' I did have an EKG once because of a wild sex session with a woman I'd been playing around with off/on for a while. We called it 'closure sex' because we were not good long term but had too much fun with what we did do short term. Anyways I'm pretty sure it was the extra dose of Yohimbie I took but the expression on the pregnant doctors face when she asked why I was getting the EKG that day was priceless. That was about 15 years ago so at 52 now maybe if she was around today and I wanted her to remember me forever then that combo would  cause a heart attack. What's interesting is Joe Linder passing as I had seen videos of him taking Yohimbie and he had also talked about Viagra and that combo can create a lot of 'pressure' and make one's head feel like it could explode. Having a family history with his aunt and brain aneurysm and how his veins stood out already, I'd beat money it was that combo than any 'gear' he was taking. Of course Pfizer would rather the conversation be about 'TRT/'gear' than any little blue pill combined with a supplement (Yohimbie) that is in so many 'male enhancement' products. The moral of the story is KNOW what you put in your body. Just because others can do it without bad results doesn't mean it can't hurt you. Living LIFE has risks and the choices made have consequences. For every action there is a reaction and not everything is as simple as one might think. Which I would think if the government were to FORCE people to eat better and exercise it would prevent a lot more issues than heart disease. Still I wouldn't want others/let alone the government forcing something on the public like that. I mean making people be healthy should be their choice and we wouldn't want to SHAME others for making a different choice than I did. My late repy is because I'm spending the week at the hot springs and there's no cells allowed due to it being clothing optional. I'm wearing my sunscreen and I put it on away from the many natural types here who think it's more harmful than burning the skin. A few days with no TV, cell phone, internet with a lot of sun, hot/cold plunges, drinking LOTS of water while being in nature and seeing all the BEAUTY that is all around if we just take a moment to look really helps remind oneself of what is important and what isn't. Great reply from you and wanted to talk about MY EXPERIENCE with the EKG because a little humor in something serious is also needed for others to lighten up and know not all of us are what is projected upon US from others. Yet none of it matters.  😃

[SteelKing728]

1 hour ago, G said:

That's why I eat well enough, exercise daily, deep breathing, meditate and know my body well enough to notice if something is 'off.' I did have an EKG once because of a wild sex session with a woman I'd been playing around with off/on for a while. We called it 'closure sex' because we were not good long term but had too much fun with what we did do short term. Anyways I'm pretty sure it was the extra dose of Yohimbie I took but the expression on the pregnant doctors face when she asked why I was getting the EKG that day was priceless. That was about 15 years ago so at 52 now maybe if she was around today and I wanted her to remember me forever then that combo would  cause a heart attack. What's interesting is Joe Linder passing as I had seen videos of him taking Yohimbie and he had also talked about Viagra and that combo can create a lot of 'pressure' and make one's head feel like it could explode. Having a family history with his aunt and brain aneurysm and how his veins stood out already, I'd beat money it was that combo than any 'gear' he was taking. Of course Pfizer would rather the conversation be about 'TRT/'gear' than any little blue pill combined with a supplement (Yohimbie) that is in so many 'male enhancement' products. The moral of the story is KNOW what you put in your body. Just because others can do it without bad results doesn't mean it can't hurt you. Living LIFE has risks and the choices made have consequences. For every action there is a reaction and not everything is as simple as one might think. Which I would think if the government were to FORCE people to eat better and exercise it would prevent a lot more issues than heart disease. Still I wouldn't want others/let alone the government forcing something on the public like that. I mean making people be healthy should be their choice and we wouldn't want to SHAME others for making a different choice than I did. My late repy is because I'm spending the week at the hot springs and there's no cells allowed due to it being clothing optional. I'm wearing my sunscreen and I put it on away from the many natural types here who think it's more harmful than burning the skin. A few days with no TV, cell phone, internet with a lot of sun, hot/cold plunges, drinking LOTS of water while being in nature and seeing all the BEAUTY that is all around if we just take a moment to look really helps remind oneself of what is important and what isn't. Great reply from you and wanted to talk about MY EXPERIENCE with the EKG because a little humor in something serious is also needed for others to lighten up and know not all of us are what is projected upon US from others. Yet none of it matters.  😃

Congrats on the sex!

Uh...okay gonna stick to football now!😁