diamondbull424 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 12 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said: Lamar never had the stats to win the award so he needed big games vs the Niners/Dolphins to have a chance and he more than did that. Big time stuff from #8. Congrats Ravens fans, that's MVP #2 for your guy! Maybe. The last game is against the Steelers and I’d be a little shocked if Harbaugh decides to rest all the starters in the game. The Steelers have Lamar’s number from a production standpoint. While I’d imagine we’d only play him in the first half… if he has an average to bad 1st half and Josh Allen destroys Miami as well… then it brings the argument back to stats vs wins. Lamar has hit all the needed statistical precedent numbers, but his stats still pales in comparison to Allen. That said Tyreek is officially out of the conversation. So is Tua. I’ve made my feelings known regarding CMC and the RB precedents he would have to break in order to win. Hurts is going to be in the wildcard spot outside of the (clearly) tanking Commanders pulling off the upset. So his case is basically done. Dak’s case is over as well considering his team hasn’t beaten any good teams on the road. I think that covers everyone in the conversation, so yeah I think Lamar has the strong hold on the MVP atm, but I still think it’s a 2 horse race between him and Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobellythrower Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 It's over lamar is -20000 ods to win it , allen put up a stinker, lamar was the best player on the field against two mvp candidates tua and tyreek, 10 wins against winning teams, best record in the league He's a hall of fame talent and now a hall of fame player 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, diamondbull424 said: Maybe. The last game is against the Steelers and I’d be a little shocked if Harbaugh decides to rest all the starters in the game. The Steelers have Lamar’s number from a production standpoint. While I’d imagine we’d only play him in the first half… if he has an average to bad 1st half and Josh Allen destroys Miami as well… then it brings the argument back to stats vs wins. Lamar has hit all the needed statistical precedent numbers, but his stats still pales in comparison to Allen. That said Tyreek is officially out of the conversation. So is Tua. I’ve made my feelings known regarding CMC and the RB precedents he would have to break in order to win. Hurts is going to be in the wildcard spot outside of the (clearly) tanking Commanders pulling off the upset. So his case is basically done. Dak’s case is over as well considering his team hasn’t beaten any good teams on the road. I think that covers everyone in the conversation, so yeah I think Lamar has the strong hold on the MVP atm, but I still think it’s a 2 horse race between him and Allen. Allen cannot win the MVP after his stinker today. There's just no way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Two-time MVP… “not bad for a running back.” 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Nobellythrower said: He's a hall of fame talent and now a hall of fame player Just needs some playoff wins at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnguy2015 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 So, who's getting Second Team All-Pro at QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, notthatbluestuff said: Two-time MVP… “not bad for a running back.” Oh snap, the original “not bad for a running back” quote came right after Lamar threw 5 TDs against the Dolphins in Miami right? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 minute ago, jonnguy2015 said: So, who's getting Second Team All-Pro at QB? There may not be one. If Lamar gets all the votes, which I think is possible, i don't think there would be one. Unless they've changed the voting process? I know a couple of years ago there was no second team RB because Taylor got all the votes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnguy2015 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Forge said: There may not be one. If Lamar gets all the votes, which I think is possible, i don't think there would be one. Unless they've changed the voting process? I know a couple of years ago there was no second team RB because Taylor got all the votes You're right, I think that also happened with Peyton in 2013. Though with the season awards getting changed to a rank vote I thought the same might have happened with the All-Pro team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobellythrower Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, TecmoSuperJoe said: Just needs some playoff wins at this point. It's lamar if he gets playoff wins the goalpost will just be moved can he go to the superbowl, can he win it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Even if the Ravens falter in the playoffs, I would still say 2023 was a rousing success. Really 2023 was an experimental year - how would Lamar play in a balanced offense with modern passing concepts (in contrast to Greg Roman's medieval system)? Lamar passed with flying colors, which means it should be easier to recruit WRs in free agency and build the offense around him going forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 15 minutes ago, Nobellythrower said: It's lamar if he gets playoff wins the goalpost will just be moved can he go to the superbowl, can he win it I don't think so. But he needs a deep playoff run. If he goes 1 and one again as MVP, it's a bad look if we're already clamoring HOF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobellythrower Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 8 minutes ago, TecmoSuperJoe said: I don't think so. But he needs a deep playoff run. If he goes 1 and one again as MVP, it's a bad look if we're already clamoring HOF. He has a modern offensive coordinator now, don't really care about his past playoffs, youngest to win 2 mvps, and manning didn't get playoff win around this age so giving him time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFlyZone Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 I do think Dak should be in the conversation if Lamar is.. but Lamar certainly has the narrative and his performance today might have earned it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BILLievers Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 It’s Lamar. Sorry JA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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