SLCbear Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 4 minutes ago, Bigbear72 said: Respectfully, this may be the single most ridiculous thing that I have read on this forum. How does spending the most valuable pick in the draft on another QB show that we believe in JF as opposed to giving him and the team more talent elsewhere. This is simply nonsense. Respectfully. Now I know that are older than me ha ha 🧶 respectfully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLCbear Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 👆🏻GET OFF MY LAWN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SLCbear Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 9 minutes ago, Bigbear72 said: How does spending the most valuable pick in the draft on another QB show that we believe in JF as opposed to giving him and the team more talent elsewhere. This is simply nonsense. Respectfully. FOR THE 10000th time, CW is NOT THE ONLY QB IN THIS DRAFT ! there are pickes after 1.1 respectfully respectfully, JF is not a finished product. Everyone knows this. JF knows this. respectfully Keeping someone as opposed to casting them off is a clear indication of belief respectfully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbear72 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Just now, SLCbear said: FOR THE 10000th time, CW is NOT THE ONLY QB IN THIS DRAFT ! there are pickes after 1.1 respectfully respectfully, JF is not a finished product. Everyone knows this. JF knows this. respectfully Keeping someone as opposed to casting them off is a clear indication of belief respectfully It doesn't matter. Drafting a QB in the first round is not telling your QB you believe in him. PERIOD! It means you are planning on moving on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLCbear Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Bigbear72 said: It doesn't matter. Drafting a QB in the first round is not telling your QB you believe in him. PERIOD! It means you are planning on moving on. black and white much ? ha ha It also clearly means that you still have some faith in JF AnD you want to improve your roster at the most important position IAOS again, no matter what JF becomes, he will MISS ALOT OF GAMES This is why I like the idea of moving down for Jayden Daniels. Best of all 3 worlds, we keep JF a while longer, draft a rook who can sit AND pick up some draft assets Edited January 16 by SLCbear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLCbear Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 MULTIPLE and VARYING MOVING PARTS but we are in positions of great strength for EVERYTHING wait and see is best approach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbear72 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 9 minutes ago, SLCbear said: black and white much ? ha ha It also clearly means that you still have some faith in JF AnD you want to improve your roster at the most important position IAOS again, no matter what JF becomes, he will MISS ALOT OF GAMES This is why I like the idea of moving down for Jayden Daniels. Best of all 3 worlds, we keep JF a while longer, draft a rook who can sit AND pick up some draft assets 5 minutes ago, SLCbear said: MULTIPLE and VARYING MOVING PARTS but we are in positions of great strength for EVERYTHING wait and see is best approach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLunatic88 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 50 minutes ago, Epyon said: It's a binary question for a starting QB. Can you win a Superbowl with the guy or not? If the answer is no, he's wasting space. Wow, this is a startling revelation, but looking back not all that surprising from you. It really does shed alot of light on some of the stuff you push onto other posters opinions (you know, pretending we are some die hard Fields supporters just because we dont want to run him out of town on a rail). Especially if you frame it as "can you win a Super Bowl with the guy?", because that is actually a pretty large list, I mean Nick Foles and Joe Flacco won Super Bowls. Heck, the corpse of Peyton Manning won one. And if Tom Brady wasnt the GOAT, that list would likely have some other crazy names on (names like Jimmy G and Bortles. heck Rex Grossman was on the doorstep) The NFC is literally guaranteed to be represented by an afterthought QB this year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refundmytickets Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 hours ago, Madmike90 said: If I am honest the QB I see the most in Caleb is Russell Wilson with more arm angle throws...if he is prime Wilson on the field then great...we just need to hope he isn't Wilson off the field. I could see Wilson with more arm talent. Caleb will have a top 5 arm in the NFL all things considered. As special as Fields is as an athlete, Williams is as a pure thrower. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refundmytickets Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I think the more apt question is, "Can you win the Super Bowl because of him?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epyon Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 10 minutes ago, StLunatic88 said: you know, pretending we are some die hard Fields supporters just because we dont want to run him out of town on a rail You want to gamble the future of this franchise for the next ~6 years on a QB who has shown absolutely nothing at the NFL level when you have the #1 overall pick, and for no logical, articulable justification. How is that NOT being a "die hard Fields supporter"? 16 minutes ago, StLunatic88 said: Heck, the corpse of Peyton Manning won one. Peyton is one of the top QBs of all time. He, (like Brady), where able to still succeed despite obvious end of career physical limitations because of knowledge and experience. All that crazy "processing" stuff Fields struggles with, combined with close to two decades of experience doing it successfully. 19 minutes ago, StLunatic88 said: And if Tom Brady wasnt the GOAT, that list would likely have some other crazy names on (names like Jimmy G and Bortles. That "if" is carrying a lot there. It isn't just Brady, btw..... the best QBs nearly invariably have their teams in the post season and/or competitive for a title. QB talent is by far the best predictor of team NFL success. 12 minutes ago, StLunatic88 said: Especially if you frame it as "can you win a Super Bowl with the guy?", because that is actually a pretty large list, I mean Nick Foles and Joe Flacco won Super Bowls So did Eli.... And what did they all have in common? They played at a very high level for the duration of the playoffs. Fields has barely managed to scrape together 4 consecutive quarters in 3 years.... let alone been able to string together anything resembling a multi game streak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BEAR FACE DOWN ARROW Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 8 minutes ago, dll2000 said: That's an interesting read. Guessing you could move the criteria around and get some different answers but it puts data to what a lot of people have as a gut feeling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLCbear Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bigbear72 said: Can you please use your words man, I don't understand crusty old man memes respectfully Are you saying that we are not in positions of strength ? you don't like Jayden Daniels ? JF WON't miss games ? keeping JF does NOT show faith in him ?? Edited January 17 by SLCbear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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