Pugger Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said: Did you forget about the Warriors? It's not like the Warriors left the area. Edited November 17, 2023 by Pugger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macattack1544 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 The poor fans... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macattack1544 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 7 hours ago, Pugger said: I feel bad for the Oakland fans. This is the second team to abandon them. That's what i'm sayin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mse326 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/16/2023 at 8:22 PM, Tank4Drake said: The City backs out of EVERY deal last second no matter how fair it is Any deal that requires the city to pay money for a stadium for a multi billion dollar private corporation is by definition, not fair 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonebillsfan Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 hour ago, mse326 said: Any deal that requires the city to pay money for a stadium for a multi billion dollar private corporation is by definition, not fair Insane to me that people relate to sports this way. Like dude he's stealing your team after gutting the walls and stealing the copper wiring out of em, you don't need to defend this billionaires honor because the city wouldn't spend $100M more on a stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Thelonebillsfan said: Insane to me that people relate to sports this way. Like dude he's stealing your team after gutting the walls and stealing the copper wiring out of em, you don't need to defend this billionaires honor because the city wouldn't spend $100M more on a stadium. Wisconsin just gave the Brewers about $450 Million for MAINTENAINCE to their stadium ffs. I was at the point where I was like "let them ******* move, enough with the billionaire welfare." I'd rather root for an out of market ballclub than watch these *******s take money from people with less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 3 hours ago, mse326 said: Any deal that requires the city to pay money for a stadium for a multi billion dollar private corporation is by definition, not fair Cities take a huge cut of the revenue per year though and I’m not just talking regular taxes. If you don’t wanna oitch in, don’t expect to profit. Teams have every right to take their franchise elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonebillsfan Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 9 hours ago, Tank4Drake said: Cities take a huge cut of the revenue per year though and I’m not just talking regular taxes. If you don’t wanna oitch in, don’t expect to profit. Teams have every right to take their franchise elsewhere. This is purely an American way of relating to sports lol. In other countries the local sporting teams are an indelible part of local culture and someone stealing them warrants protests! Again, just a ridiculous way of engaging with sports as a whole, I can't imagine why you feel this compulsive need to defend this guy who straight up admits publicly he doesn't give a **** about you, the city of Oakland, or the franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mse326 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 10 hours ago, Tank4Drake said: Cities take a huge cut of the revenue per year though and I’m not just talking regular taxes. If you don’t wanna oitch in, don’t expect to profit. Teams have every right to take their franchise elsewhere. They don't take a huge part of the revenue. Every analysis has shown cities lose when they pay for stadiums. The owner is free to move the team as is the owner of every business. And I and others are free to to blame them and criticize them as greedy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesa_Titan Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 39 minutes ago, Thelonebillsfan said: This is purely an American way of relating to sports lol. In other countries the local sporting teams are an indelible part of local culture and someone stealing them warrants protests! Again, just a ridiculous way of engaging with sports as a whole, I can't imagine why you feel this compulsive need to defend this guy who straight up admits publicly he doesn't give a **** about you, the city of Oakland, or the franchise. I mean, I'm pretty sure I agree with you on most of this situation, but what makes this an American way of thinking? I would assume you think the owner of the team should be paying for the stadium, maintenance, and every thing else inbetween, correct? Yet you also hold the opinion that they aren't allowed to move the team? If the owners want to move the team, they should have every right to do that, whether it's a good choice or not is a different story altogether. What it boils down to is city officials need to stop approving hundreds of millions of dollars in tax payer money to build stadiums in their cities. If the owner of a sports team wants his/her team there, they need to pay for it, since they will be the one's raking in the profits. This has never made any sense to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 (edited) 22 hours ago, Mesa_Titan said: I mean, I'm pretty sure I agree with you on most of this situation, but what makes this an American way of thinking? I would assume you think the owner of the team should be paying for the stadium, maintenance, and every thing else inbetween, correct? Yet you also hold the opinion that they aren't allowed to move the team? If the owners want to move the team, they should have every right to do that, whether it's a good choice or not is a different story altogether. What it boils down to is city officials need to stop approving hundreds of millions of dollars in tax payer money to build stadiums in their cities. If the owner of a sports team wants his/her team there, they need to pay for it, since they will be the one's raking in the profits. This has never made any sense to me. How much revenue do these cities make with a sports team in their midst? From lodging and restaurants and the team employing locals sports teams bring in assets to these cities too (I'm not just talking about baseball). Edited November 19, 2023 by Pugger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 10:36 PM, mse326 said: Any deal that requires the city to pay money for a stadium for a multi billion dollar private corporation is by definition, not fair And that multi billion dollar private corporation is free to relocate to a market that is more friendly to their business and offering a better deal... Its pretty simple tbh Is Pete Rose going to manage the team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 12:39 PM, Mesa_Titan said: What it boils down to is city officials need to stop approving hundreds of millions of dollars in tax payer money to build stadiums in their cities. If the owner of a sports team wants his/her team there, they need to pay for it, since they will be the one's raking in the profits. This has never made any sense to me. I guess it depends how much the city and tax payers value having a baseball team Vegas obviously values having a team more There are plenty of attractive markets without baseball teams. Gotta pony up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mse326 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 10 hours ago, mission27 said: And that multi billion dollar private corporation is free to relocate to a market that is more friendly to their business and offering a better deal... Its pretty simple tbh Is Pete Rose going to manage the team? I never claimed otherwise. My point was only that the city did nothing wrong and while he is free to move we are free to criticize Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsandBroncos Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 4 hours ago, mse326 said: I never claimed otherwise. My point was only that the city did nothing wrong and while he is free to move we are free to criticize City also could've cared by actually going to more than 1 game a year too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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