Scoundrel Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 I read this whole game I’ll make determinations later after all NFL games have been played. And go back through with a quick skim in case I missed any key points. Congrats to you both on making it this far regardless of outcome. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 scoundrel making this a hot thread all by himself is commitment 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 30 minutes ago, Scoundrel said: This is also smart as Cancun wants to attack this defense deep. Great counter here by Camden 29 minutes ago, Scoundrel said: But then there is this that Cancun wants to do… Look, all I'm saying is that if Camden is utilizing their psychic powers to identify our receivers' routes, we demand a full league investigation into the matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedLavie Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Scoundrel said: This reads as guessing… in an attempt to account for every possible thing. So any feeling that extra pressure is coming inside you either screen/maybe slants or leave the RB in? Depends on who's lined up where. Basically if we have Allen lined up over Bozeman and blitz is coming - meaning Allen is in a 1vs1 situation vs Bozeman, then screen/RB pass pro. If Bozeman can pick up Travis Jones or the inside blitzer, based on pre-snap positioning at least, we're ok. This is what I meant. 2 hours ago, Scoundrel said: Malik Hooker out for Camden by the way Jackson in for him. Next man up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Going Camden. Mahomes will make plays on his own, but Cancun is working with a skeleton crew of offensive weapons. The game plan being "chuck it deep" I don't think plays well with that personnel. I actually think this game would end up pretty low scoring and lots of strong defense on both sides. I trust more players on Camden to make a key play when it matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirA1 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Also going Camden. I wasn't ever high on this Kaiju team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Meh don’t really want to vote on this because I am torn and it’s closer than I think people have commented but I guess I will at some point today… It’s does a great game plan cover some talent deficiency vs talent and a gameplan that has some good pieces but feels like a lot of cover all possibilities and some guessing and not as honed in for me. No disrespect meant to anyone just thinking out loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedLavie Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Scoundrel said: Meh don’t really want to vote on this because I am torn and it’s closer than I think people have commented but I guess I will at some point today… It’s does a great game plan cover some talent deficiency vs talent and a gameplan that has some good pieces but feels like a lot of cover all possibilities and some guessing and not as honed in for me. No disrespect meant to anyone just thinking out loud. Definitely interested in discussing what part of my plan comes across as cover all possibilities and guess as constructive criticism if you are up to it. Now (or in a couple of hours as I'm about to go out) or after the voting process ends, win or lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 17 minutes ago, TedLavie said: Definitely interested in discussing what part of my plan comes across as cover all possibilities and guess as constructive criticism if you are up to it. Now (or in a couple of hours as I'm about to go out) or after the voting process ends, win or lose. Cover 4 – Middle of the field in the intermediate area will be the first read, mostly by Kupp. Cancun linebackers are solid all-around players, but they get beat quite often in coverage, especially Franklin. A savvy route runner like Kupp will be able to exploit that. Second read will be short outside the numbers to have AJ or Gabe/Shaheed (or Ekeler as safety valve) working on a LB. Davis and Shaheed will rotate fairly equally at WR2 spot. • Cover 3 – Overload one side of the field (preferably the right side) on three levels and target who’s open and allow Tua to react to the DBs choices. Another possibility will be a four-go or post routes with the RB staying in pass pro. • Cover 2 zone – Be aggressive downfield with multiple go routes • Man with Robber– Beat Cancun deep with Brown, Shaheed/Davis, Pitts or our RB (mostly Ekeler) with double moves, post routes or RB Wheels. Steven Nelson and Cam Sutton are good but they can be beaten deep especially with our guys, and we don’t think Cancun can cover Pitts and Ekeler at the same time man-to-man • Cover 2 man – Use underneath stuff to Kupp, Brown, our RBs or Everett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 You’re not going to be able to identify all of these coverages even with pre snap motion… so just trying to cover every possible coverage with an ideal plan looks good to some voters possibly but it’s unrealistic imo. And is less focused on specific elements/aspects to attack. I get being “thorough” but being thorough should also include being honed in and this is just unrealistic to me and let’s just throw something out there for every possibility. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 I think those are general plans based on what Tua sees from the presnap motion is how I read it. I think figuring between the cover 2 zone and cover 4 zone can be problematic if the are playing off in both scenarios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 minute ago, bcb1213 said: I think those are general plans based on what Tua sees from the presnap motion is how I read it. I think figuring between the cover 2 zone and cover 4 zone can be problematic if the are playing off in both scenarios Which “We have flexibility to run Cover 4, off man, press man, and Cover 2 with this look.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 So yeah Tua will be guessing more than enough and I think the Cancun defensive plan can create some havoc in that case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 There are some great aspects/elements to Ted’s gameplan. This is just my opinion though on this scheming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Scoundrel said: Which “We have flexibility to run Cover 4, off man, press man, and Cover 2 with this look.” oh for sure, but I don't think including what he wants to do if he persees a certain look is a cover all, i'd rather see what that plan is than guess myself. Whether Tua sees it consistently enough is up to voters to decide 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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