Ozzy Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Will be interesting what they do, they could get another edge guy in Jonah Ellis which would be solid or get Sedrick Van Pran as a center and keep Jurgens at guard or get a CB like Kalen King possible. Currently I have them getting Jeremiah Trotter Jr with the 22nd pick. That LB position for them is crap and they completely missed Edwards from last year and White. Getting aging vets was not the answer clearly. Trotter is a dude and is super athletic and could be a great addition to the middle, connect with his dad does not hurt either. Then I have them getting Jackson Powers-Johnson in the 2nd to fill that potential center void or he could slide over to guard. Then I have them getting Darius Robinson as a potential edge even though he is 290 dude is an elite strong athlete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleBlueDon Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 23 minutes ago, Ozzy said: Will be interesting what they do, they could get another edge guy in Jonah Ellis which would be solid or get Sedrick Van Pran as a center and keep Jurgens at guard or get a CB like Kalen King possible. Currently I have them getting Jeremiah Trotter Jr with the 22nd pick. That LB position for them is crap and they completely missed Edwards from last year and White. Getting aging vets was not the answer clearly. Trotter is a dude and is super athletic and could be a great addition to the middle, connect with his dad does not hurt either. Then I have them getting Jackson Powers-Johnson in the 2nd to fill that potential center void or he could slide over to guard. Then I have them getting Darius Robinson as a potential edge even though he is 290 dude is an elite strong athlete. That's all well and good but I'd put their likelihood of taking an off ball linebacker at 22nd overall at about a .00001% chance. It'll be OL, DL or CB. Outside chance at a safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 22 minutes ago, EagleBlueDon said: That's all well and good but I'd put their likelihood of taking an off ball linebacker at 22nd overall at about a .00001% chance. It'll be OL, DL or CB. Outside chance at a safety. True, Eagles hate of linebackers and all but unless they find another TJ Edwards as a UDFA they need to address that position. Unless they feel Shaun Bradley would be the answer if he was healthy or Nakobe Dean if he was healthy but chances are even with either one of them they still would have struggled. Shaq Leonard was not the answer, Zach Cunningham was not, Morrow was not really because he was bad in coverage, Brandon Smith is probably not the answer Nolan Smith barely played but sure has potential and maybe VanSumeren will develop over time but still....it is an issue and Trotter could play ILB or OLB and probably will end up running a sub 4.5 40 potentially, oh and can get after the QB and cover as well something no Eagles linebacker did well at all. DE is an issue also and despite having a load of corners, CB is an issue with how poorly Slay and Bradberry were compared to the year previous along with OL of course with Kelce out. Sure not super likely but regardless of tendency, they need an alpha in the middle or a LB with speed who can cover. TJ Edwards sure some can say he sucks but he was top 15 in the NFL in tackles each of the past three seasons. And most of that Eagles D was all returning outside of Edwards and White, so maybe that LB position needs more attention than it has got in the past. Oh and it clearly was not Desai either, because honestly they were probably worse after that switch to Patricia as the play caller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 32 minutes ago, EagleBlueDon said: That's all well and good but I'd put their likelihood of taking an off ball linebacker at 22nd overall at about a .00001% chance. It'll be OL, DL or CB. Outside chance at a safety. I don't think they'll take an O-Lineman at 22. As far as I'm aware there aren't really any highly rated Interior lineman and I don't think it makes sense to draft a Tackle given Lane's expressed he's not considering retirement in the next year or two. There also aren't really any highly rated LBs I don't think either though. CB or EDGE make the most sense to me assuming there's one worth taking while we're on the clock. EDGE Latu Chop Verse CB Rakestraw Koolaid One of those guys are on my shortlist this early in the process. Hoping one of them makes it to 22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleBlueDon Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ozzy said: True, Eagles hate of linebackers and all but unless they find another TJ Edwards as a UDFA they need to address that position. Unless they feel Shaun Bradley would be the answer if he was healthy or Nakobe Dean if he was healthy but chances are even with either one of them they still would have struggled. Shaq Leonard was not the answer, Zach Cunningham was not, Morrow was not really because he was bad in coverage, Brandon Smith is probably not the answer Nolan Smith barely played but sure has potential and maybe VanSumeren will develop over time but still....it is an issue and Trotter could play ILB or OLB and probably will end up running a sub 4.5 40 potentially, oh and can get after the QB and cover as well something no Eagles linebacker did well at all. DE is an issue also and despite having a load of corners, CB is an issue with how poorly Slay and Bradberry were compared to the year previous along with OL of course with Kelce out. Sure not super likely but regardless of tendency, they need an alpha in the middle or a LB with speed who can cover. TJ Edwards sure some can say he sucks but he was top 15 in the NFL in tackles each of the past three seasons. And most of that Eagles D was all returning outside of Edwards and White, so maybe that LB position needs more attention than it has got in the past. Oh and it clearly was not Desai either, because honestly they were probably worse after that switch to Patricia as the play caller. Letting Edwards walk was arguably the biggest mistake of last off-season, along with losing CJGJ. Off-ball LB is the weakest part of the roster yes. I believe Bradley is elsewhere and Nakobe can't be counted on. I'd construct my roster as if he wasn't on the team, just like I say with Avonte Maddox since he's constantly hurt. Can't trust those guys. Whatever they give you is a bonus. Leonard and Morrow can hit the road, but Cunningham I wouldn't mind as a depth guy or run specialist. He at least has some positive traits. Nolan Smith will be featured at EDGE predominantly moving forward so he is not a factor at all at off-ball LB. Listen I'm all for spending a high pick, maybe not 22, on an off ball LB. There's just no chance the Eagles do. DE/EDGE I'm not as worried about as most. I'd be okay with throwing a mid round pick or a mid level free agent at that spot. Let Nolan get his snaps. Sweat and Reddick is still a top 5 duo there. CB is an absolute mess. Slay is okay to be a starter for 1-2 more years but idk if it's appropriate for him to be CB1 any more. If it was up to me he'd be my CB2 for 1 more year. Ricks and Ringo showed promise, so let them all compete. We also signed Isaiah Rodgers (26), the former Colt, who was suspended for gambling. Rodgers was moving up Indianapolis' depth chart, playing in 45 games and starting 10 for them, prior to being suspended. He played very well, grading out at an 82.1 (81.5 coverage grade) among corners who played at least 250 snaps. A guy worth gambling on, so to speak. CB1 must come from trade, free agency, or a top-drafted corner, although those are hard to find as rookies. But Slay isn't that anymore. Mckinstry, Arnold, Wiggins, DeJean or Rakestraw are some guys who I like at 22. Bradberry will be gone. He's absolutely toast. Hargrave, Epps, CJGJ, Edwards and White combined to be a massive combination of losses. We couldn't afford to lose all of them and you see what happened. We chose the absolute WORST free agent to bring back in Bradberry. I think the leader in the middle at LB should come from free agency. Sorry for the length. Edited January 22 by EagleBlueDon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleBlueDon Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 hours ago, Danger said: I don't think they'll take an O-Lineman at 22. As far as I'm aware there aren't really any highly rated Interior lineman and I don't think it makes sense to draft a Tackle given Lane's expressed he's not considering retirement in the next year or two. There also aren't really any highly rated LBs I don't think either though. CB or EDGE make the most sense to me assuming there's one worth taking while we're on the clock. EDGE Latu Chop Verse CB Rakestraw Koolaid One of those guys are on my shortlist this early in the process. Hoping one of them makes it to 22. I don't either but I threw that in there because that's what they believe in and they make dumb picks sometimes. OL that high would really disappoint me. The defense needs guys and needs guys FAST. Wiggins, DeJean and Arnold all certainly need to be on your list too. It's a very nice CB class for round 1/early round 2 guys. We have to take 1. I'd be highly highly disappointed if we didn't. I'll be honest I'd be upset with an EDGE at 22 unless one of Reddick or Sweat isn't back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, EagleBlueDon said: Letting Edwards walk was arguably the biggest mistake of last off-season, along with losing CJGJ. Off-ball LB is the weakest part of the roster yes. I believe Bradley is elsewhere and Nakobe can't be counted on. I'd construct my roster as if he wasn't on the team, just like I say with Avonte Maddox since he's constantly hurt. Can't trust those guys. Whatever they give you is a bonus. Leonard and Morrow can hit the road, but Cunningham I wouldn't mind as a depth guy or run specialist. He at least has some positive traits. Nolan Smith will be featured at EDGE predominantly moving forward so he is not a factor at all at off-ball LB. Listen I'm all for spending a high pick, maybe not 22, on an off ball LB. There's just no chance the Eagles do. DE/EDGE I'm not as worried about as most. I'd be okay with throwing a mid round pick or a mid level free agent at that spot. Let Nolan get his snaps. Sweat and Reddick is still a top 5 duo there. CB is an absolute mess. Slay is okay to be a starter for 1-2 more years but idk if it's appropriate for him to be CB1 any more. If it was up to me he'd be my CB2 for 1 more year. Ricks and Ringo showed promise, so let them all compete. We also signed Isaiah Rodgers (26), the former Colt, who was suspended for gambling. Rodgers was moving up Indianapolis' depth chart, playing in 45 games and started 10 for them, prior to being suspended. He played very well, grading out at an 82.1 (81.5 coverage grade) among corners who played at least 250 snaps. A guy worth gambling on, so to speak. CB1 must come from trade, free agency, or a top-drafted corner, although those are hard to find as rookies. But Slay isn't that anymore. Mckinstry, Arnold, Wiggins, DeJean or Rakestraw are some guys who I like at 22. Bradberry will be gone. He's absolutely toast. Hargrave, Epps, CJGJ, Edwards and White combined to be a massive combination of losses. We couldn't afford to lose all of them and you see what happened. We chose the absolute WORST free agent to bring back in Bradberry. I think the leader in the middle at LB should come from free agency. Sorry for the length. I suppose they could address CB but honestly they have so much depth there but who cares if it is not elite level talent. Not sure who is a free agent off this list but all of them have potential, obviously Maddox and McPhearson were hurt basically the entire year. Garner might be more of a safety but is promising as is Mullen for sure and Ricks or Ringo. Honestly though Ricks disappointed so much on Bama and really got benched and Arnold took his spot for a reason. He will have to greatly improve and Ringo was obviously overrated because he was on such a great defense in college, similar to Lewis Cine being wildly overrated or Deandre Baker a few years back. Mekhi Garner Josh Jobe Avonte Maddox Zech McPhearson Tiawan Mullen Eli Ricks Kelee Ringo Josiah Scott I would assume one or two of those guys will become solid and could argue the Eagles have the deepest group of CBs in the league, and I did not even include them all. But they are not the only ones in coverage and obviously the LBs got beat badly in coverage all the time and the safeties were nothing great either, Sydney Brown has promise though. Not sure how you think that edge spot does not have to be address because it does with how old Graham is getting and Barnett now out so they have no one really for depth behind Sweat. Sure Smith is depth for Reddick but not sure Smith can play opposite Reddick or something. I find it funny the blame Desai but it was actually how the players performed that got Desai fired. And clearly the loss of Edwards and Gardner-Johnson/Epps was massive and no DC could have made that disappear. Will be interesting what they end up doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleBlueDon Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 18 minutes ago, Ozzy said: I suppose they could address CB but honestly they have so much depth there but who cares if it is not elite level talent. Not sure who is a free agent off this list but all of them have potential, obviously Maddox and McPhearson were hurt basically the entire year. Garner might be more of a safety but is promising as is Mullen for sure and Ricks or Ringo. Honestly though Ricks disappointed so much on Bama and really got benched and Arnold took his spot for a reason. He will have to greatly improve and Ringo was obviously overrated because he was on such a great defense in college, similar to Lewis Cine being wildly overrated or Deandre Baker a few years back. Mekhi Garner Josh Jobe Avonte Maddox Zech McPhearson Tiawan Mullen Eli Ricks Kelee Ringo Josiah Scott I would assume one or two of those guys will become solid and could argue the Eagles have the deepest group of CBs in the league, and I did not even include them all. But they are not the only ones in coverage and obviously the LBs got beat badly in coverage all the time and the safeties were nothing great either, Sydney Brown has promise though. Not sure how you think that edge spot does not have to be address because it does with how old Graham is getting and Barnett now out so they have no one really for depth behind Sweat. Sure Smith is depth for Reddick but not sure Smith can play opposite Reddick or something. I find it funny the blame Desai but it was actually how the players performed that got Desai fired. And clearly the loss of Edwards and Gardner-Johnson/Epps was massive and no DC could have made that disappear. Will be interesting what they end up doing. Yes they need a starter there. Like a legitimate starter. The offense is ready to win now. With some good, savvy moves, the defense can be ready as well. That's why we need to hit corner hard. Of the guys you listed for outside CB it's Ringo, Ricks, then a giant gap, then Jobe who is likely a career backup/spot starter with some upside. Ringo and Ricks both need time to develop since they'll be entering their age 22 and 23 seasons, respectively. That's why I say maybe one of them can take over for Slay at CB2 in a year or so. All the other guys I don't expect much from. Maddox can compete but in no way possible am I not bringing in stiff competition for him. Hopefully Sydney Brown can successfully make his way back from tearing his ACL, because I agree that he does have promise. His injury will force us, hopefully, to make safety a priority with a significant resource. I mean with Reddick, Sweat and Nolan all we need is a #4 rusher. Not sure I'd spend super significant resources on that. Like I said maybe like a mid round pick, even a 2nd I'd be cool with. A mid level free agent. Van Ginkel, etc. We need STARTERS at other spots, EDGE needs depth. One is playing every snap. The other is rotating for what 30%? Makes sense to me. I'm actually excited for the off season. We'll have solid cap space and I think 4 top-100 selections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, EagleBlueDon said: Yes they need a starter there. Like a legitimate starter. The offense is ready to win now. With some good, savvy moves, the defense can be ready as well. That's why we need to hit corner hard. Of the guys you listed for outside CB it's Ringo, Ricks, then a giant gap, then Jobe who is likely a career backup/spot starter with some upside. Ringo and Ricks both need time to develop since they'll be entering their age 22 and 23 seasons, respectively. That's why I say maybe one of them can take over for Slay at CB2 in a year or so. All the other guys I don't expect much from. Maddox can compete but in no way possible am I not bringing in stiff competition for him. Hopefully Sydney Brown can successfully make his way back from tearing his ACL, because I agree that he does have promise. His injury will force us, hopefully, to make safety a priority with a significant resource. I mean with Reddick, Sweat and Nolan all we need is a #4 rusher. Not sure I'd spend super significant resources on that. Like I said maybe like a mid round pick, even a 2nd I'd be cool with. A mid level free agent. Van Ginkel, etc. We need STARTERS at other spots, EDGE needs depth. One is playing every snap. The other is rotating for what 30%? Makes sense to me. I'm actually excited for the off season. We'll have solid cap space and I think 4 top-100 selections. I did forget to mention in regards to LB, it is pretty weak class after the top few guys. After these guys the LB position takes a huge drop off, and in terms of guys who are legit OLB types and not edge pass rushers there are maybe 3 or 4 of them who are rock solid, the rest who the hell knows. And most of these guys below are more ILBs but the most versatile in coverage, pass rush situations and general open field range I would say Trotter Jr is the top of these guys. Cooper has juice also and good range but is not as aware in coverage as Trotter and Wilson is awesome but also is an edge rusher and does have a bad injury history. And say the Eagles wait till the 2nd round, good chance all of these guys could be gone. Jeremiah Trotter Jr Clemson JR Junior Colson Michigan JR Edgerrin Cooper Texas A&M RS JR Payton Wilson NC State RS Nathaniel Watson Miss State RS These guys could be good but Bertrand should be gone 2nd round and Jacobs was not even that good this past year but in this class he is one of the elite ones with potential and could play true OLB with range. Toure is a pass rusher type and DeLoach again athletic but who knows and is mostly a pass rusher from the ILB spot. JD Bertrand Notre Dame RS Curtis Jacobs Penn State Mohamed Toure Rutgers RS Kalen DeLoach Florida State RS So it is a weak group outside of the top few, and with Nick Jackson going back to Iowa I had him going to the Eagles 2nd round and in terms of true OLB types with range and versatility I had him the 2nd best in the class. Trotter could play both but Colson is more of a ILB and same with Wilson and Watson. Either way true LB play in super weak across the board and it is hard to find a LB with range and versatility who can cover, stop the run and still get after the QB when asked. Guys with that range and speed are hard to find and there are not a ton of them around in college football and especially in this draft in terms of depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleBlueDon Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Ozzy said: I did forget to mention in regards to LB, it is pretty weak class after the top few guys. After these guys the LB position takes a huge drop off, and in terms of guys who are legit OLB types and not edge pass rushers there are maybe 3 or 4 of them who are rock solid, the rest who the hell knows. And most of these guys below are more ILBs but the most versatile in coverage, pass rush situations and general open field range I would say Trotter Jr is the top of these guys. Cooper has juice also and good range but is not as aware in coverage as Trotter and Wilson is awesome but also is an edge rusher and does have a bad injury history. And say the Eagles wait till the 2nd round, good chance all of these guys could be gone. Jeremiah Trotter Jr Clemson JR Junior Colson Michigan JR Edgerrin Cooper Texas A&M RS JR Payton Wilson NC State RS Nathaniel Watson Miss State RS These guys could be good but Bertrand should be gone 2nd round and Jacobs was not even that good this past year but in this class he is one of the elite ones with potential and could play true OLB with range. Toure is a pass rusher type and DeLoach again athletic but who knows and is mostly a pass rusher from the ILB spot. JD Bertrand Notre Dame RS Curtis Jacobs Penn State Mohamed Toure Rutgers RS Kalen DeLoach Florida State RS So it is a weak group outside of the top few, and with Nick Jackson going back to Iowa I had him going to the Eagles 2nd round and in terms of true OLB types with range and versatility I had him the 2nd best in the class. Trotter could play both but Colson is more of a ILB and same with Wilson and Watson. Either way true LB play in super weak across the board and it is hard to find a LB with range and versatility who can cover, stop the run and still get after the QB when asked. Guys with that range and speed are hard to find and there are not a ton of them around in college football and especially in this draft in terms of depth. I don't know enough about the LBs yet and haven't done my research/evaluators haven't really put out big scouting reports on these guys. So I really don't know. Around these parts, I've mostly seen the notion that Trotter is overrated. Again, I know nothing. I'll wait til all the YouTube film comes out and the draft experts come out with their scouting reports. I will tell you that CB is the position I will have done the most work on by draft day. Safety probably second. EDGE/OBLB tied for 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downundermike Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 Howie got nothing on my draft game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishHooligan00 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Let me show you one of the WORST mock Drafts I have ever seen... https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Sim/eagles-w-kingsbury-0848 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 49 minutes ago, IrishHooligan00 said: Let me show you one of the WORST mock Drafts I have ever seen... https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Sim/eagles-w-kingsbury-0848 This has some Jeezla esque trades in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downundermike Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 49 minutes ago, IrishHooligan00 said: Let me show you one of the WORST mock Drafts I have ever seen... https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Sim/eagles-w-kingsbury-0848 Wow, that is a lot to analyze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babyatemydingo Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 On 1/21/2024 at 5:27 PM, Danger said: I don't think they'll take an O-Lineman at 22. As far as I'm aware there aren't really any highly rated Interior lineman and I don't think it makes sense to draft a Tackle given Lane's expressed he's not considering retirement in the next year or two. There also aren't really any highly rated LBs I don't think either though. CB or EDGE make the most sense to me assuming there's one worth taking while we're on the clock. EDGE Latu Chop Verse CB Rakestraw Koolaid One of those guys are on my shortlist this early in the process. Hoping one of them makes it to 22. I didn't think so, either until I saw Jackson Powers-Johnson. I mean, not only do they have Lane Johnson, Fred Johnson and Roderick Johnson, but they could sign Xavier Newman-Johnson and have five a Johnson line. It stands to reason that both Sua Opeta and Jack Driscoll could become unaffordable. Even if Kelce were to come back, Powers-Johnson would likely bump Can Jurgens from the starting lineup. My only caveat is that post-combine might find Powers-Johnson in the top 20. Here's why I think so: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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