PhillyRaider Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Easy..... your posts have no point outside being contrarian on purpose to flame the board. Only logical answer, because you can't honestly believe half the trash you're defending. You must be a troll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 9 minutes ago, PhillyRaider said: For QBs, bro. QB is the most uncertain position to draft. Especially in the 1st round. Look how many got drafted in the last 10 years in the first round that never made it? It says a lot about how uncertain that position is when the greatest to ever play it was picked in the 6th round doesn't it? Any other position is drafted with way more certainty but the QB position is a doozy. And look how many did. And of the 14 playoff teams, 10 had first round QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 5 minutes ago, PhillyRaider said: You must be a troll. Aren't you special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyRaider Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, big_palooka said: And look how many did. And of the 14 playoff teams, 10 had first round QBs. How many of them went on to win a Super Bowl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 8 minutes ago, PhillyRaider said: Again, no they weren't. Josh wasn't wrong. Ruggs wasn't wrong. Arnette wasn't wrong. Leatherwood wasn't wrong. There was a need for their position. Every one of those picks reflected a need that was addressed. It can't be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, PhillyRaider said: How many of them went on to win a Super Bowl? Um.....zero, because the Super Bowl isn't for another 17 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/23/2024 at 1:10 PM, NickButera said: I'm not saying this out of draft compensation, but I truly hope he gets a shot this year or next. He deserves a shot. Why aren’t other teams hot over him. Another guy overrated by Raiderfans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 18 minutes ago, PhillyRaider said: Again, no they weren't. Josh wasn't wrong. Ruggs wasn't wrong. Arnette wasn't wrong. Leatherwood wasn't wrong. There was a need for their position. Every one of those picks reflected a need that was addressed. It can't be wrong. That was the flaw. Drafting on need 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickButera Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 32 minutes ago, PhillyRaider said: For QBs, bro. QB is the most uncertain position to draft. Especially in the 1st round. Look how many got drafted in the last 10 years in the first round that never made it? It says a lot about how uncertain that position is when the greatest to ever play it was picked in the 6th round doesn't it? Any other position is drafted with way more certainty but the QB position is a doozy. Agreed. But logically you're saying you should never trade up and sue draft capital for a QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyRaider Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Here you go bro..just to show how stupid your posts are and how pointless your points are.... QBs drafted in the 1st round since 2011 and number of Suoer Bowls they won.. 2011-Cam.Newton, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder-0 Super Bowls won. 2012-Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, Ryan Tannehill, Brandon Weedon-0 Super Bowls won 2013-EJ Manuel-0 Super Bowls 2014-Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater-0 Super Bowls won 2015-Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota-0 Super Bowls won 2016-Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Paxton Lynch-0 Super Bowls won 2017-Mitchell Trubisky, Patrick Mahomes, DeShawn Watson-2 Super Bowls won both by Mahomes 2018-Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Lamar Jackson-0 Super Bowls won 2019-Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins-0 Super Bowls won 2020-Joe Burrow, Tua Tagovailoa, Justin Herbert, Jordan Love-0 Super Bowls won 2021-Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Mac Jones-0 Super Bowls won Tell me again why the Raiders need to spend capital to trade up for QB again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyRaider Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, NickButera said: Agreed. But logically you're saying you should never trade up and sue draft capital for a QB? Basically, it's almost never worth it to trade multiple high level assets to trade up to get a QB early in the draft. It just isn't. It almost never works out in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101Raider Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 13 minutes ago, PhillyRaider said: Again, no they weren't. Josh wasn't wrong. Ruggs wasn't wrong. Arnette wasn't wrong. Leatherwood wasn't wrong. There was a need for their position. Every one of those picks reflected a need that was addressed. It can't be wrong. it’s simple. Besides Josh, they busted. That means they were wrong. Now to specifics. Josh was a RB=wrong. This is the only one I’d be somewhat willing to concede wasn’t a an absolute waste of capital. Ruggs was 1 of 3 WRs considered, could have had Lamb = “wrong” Arnette was universally panned as a reach, considered a 2nd round draft prospect by most. Mayock even stated publicly that he ignored “significant character concerns”= “wrong” Leatherwood was “wrong”as we took him over a higher rated player in Darrisaw (who has gone on to be fantastic ) and attempted to change his position from the one he primarily played in college. Ferrell and Abrams were both busts too. How can you not see that drafting multiple busts was the incorrect choice? drafting for need is a hotly debated argument. However, drafting for need and taking a player above projections, while doing so over others that are more highly regarded at that same position and have gone on to be highly successful is certainly “wrong.” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyRaider Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 7 minutes ago, 101Raider said: it’s simple. Besides Josh, they busted. That means they were wrong. Now to specifics. Josh was a RB=wrong. This is the only one I’d be somewhat willing to concede wasn’t a an absolute waste of capital. Ruggs was 1 of 3 WRs considered, could have had Lamb = “wrong” Arnette was universally panned as a reach, considered a 2nd round draft prospect by most. Mayock even stated publicly that he ignored “significant character concerns”= “wrong” Leatherwood was “wrong”as we took him over a higher rated player in Darrisaw (who has gone on to be fantastic ) and attempted to change his position from the one he primarily played in college. Ferrell and Abrams were both busts too. How can you not see that drafting multiple busts was the incorrect choice? drafting for need is a hotly debated argument. However, drafting for need and taking a player above projections, while doing so over others that are more highly regarded at that same position and have gone on to be highly successful is certainly “wrong.” So much wrong with this post. Instead of me going point by point telling you how wrong you are...why don't you put up a poll and ask everyone whether drafting Jacobs was a mistake? Maybe you'll see, then. Also, Darrisaw was.never at any point higher rated than Leatherwood coming out of College. Leatherwood was a 2 time national champion, an Outland Trophy winner, a Jacobs blocking trophy winner, and unanimous All-American. Darrisaw was none of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, PhillyRaider said: Here you go bro..just to show how stupid your posts are and how pointless your points are.... QBs drafted in the 1st round since 2011 and number of Suoer Bowls they won.. 2011-Cam.Newton, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder-0 Super Bowls won. 2012-Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, Ryan Tannehill, Brandon Weedon-0 Super Bowls won 2013-EJ Manuel-0 Super Bowls 2014-Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater-0 Super Bowls won 2015-Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota-0 Super Bowls won 2016-Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Paxton Lynch-0 Super Bowls won 2017-Mitchell Trubisky, Patrick Mahomes, DeShawn Watson-2 Super Bowls won both by Mahomes 2018-Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Lamar Jackson-0 Super Bowls won 2019-Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins-0 Super Bowls won 2020-Joe Burrow, Tua Tagovailoa, Justin Herbert, Jordan Love-0 Super Bowls won 2021-Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Mac Jones-0 Super Bowls won Tell me again why the Raiders need to spend capital to trade up for QB again? While I agree with you that trading up is generally bad business, using a SB ring argument is sort of.....off-putting. How many Superbowls from 2011 onward were won by Tom Brady? That skews things. How many were won by a 1st round QB drafted pre-2011? Again, I don't entirely disagree with you, but the Brady factor has to be accounted for if you use the Superbowl argument. How many of the above lost to Brady in the AFC or NFC championship game? How many did he beat in a Superbowl? Because absent Brady, we could be looking at a totally different list there- and I'll cop to playing with a hypothetical here for this. A really good QB is going to have maybe 10-12 years to win a Superbowl. When half of that time was eaten by 1 guy collecting rings, that throws a balance way out of whack. The bolded either played in a Superbowl- and let's not diminish getting there to start with- or have shown a level of play that could justify a belief that they eventually will/would...and maybe even win it. That's 10 different QBs. 7 of them have played their entire careers in the AFC. Only 1 can go tonthe Superbowl each year. That's means that 6 have no shot in any given year. It would take 7 years of a different QB each year going for them all to get 1 ring. That's with no Brady in the way and no repeat. Most of those 7 guys haven't even finished 7 years in the league yet. Your math isn't mathing the way I think you're trying to math. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Just now, PhillyRaider said: So much wrong with this post. Instead of me going point by point telling you how wrong you are...why don't you put up a poll and ask everyone whether drafting Jacobs was a mistake? Maybe you'll see, then. Also, Darrisaw was.never at any point higher rated than Leatherwood coming out of College. Leatherwood was a 2 time national champion, an Outland Trophy winner, a Jacobs blocking trophy winner, and unanimous All-American. Darrisaw was none of that. The f***? Darrisaw was rated higher than Leatherwood practically the entire pre-draft process and considered a consensus 1st rounder. Leatherwood was a 2nd round prospect at best, and a lot of people had him lower than that. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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