Just Want A Title Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 2 hours ago, detfan782004 said: He's definitely becoming overrated if people think he's worth 2-1sts That is fairly misleading. The net loss would be one first round pick. Not two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Want A Title Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 14 hours ago, Just Want A Title said: You could be right but my point was if, for the sake of argument which is all mock drafts, Brad Holmes sees him as a player with a "Franchise CB" potential then the trade isn't that bad. He isn't trading into the top 10. Quinyon Mitchell does have flaws but they seem like things that can be corrected pretty easily and his attitude towards taking coaching does have value. If he is a Patrick Surtain II type of CB or close to that, it is a good trade for the Lions. His ceiling might be in that area so that trade scenario isn't unrealistic. Terrion Arnold is interesting. He is really good at mirroring and staying in-phase with WRs on short and intermediate routes. He has shown some problems with his long speed though. However, he is only 21 years old and his long speed might improve a little bit as he matures physically. He reminds me a lot of Tre'Davious White in terms of playing style. With respect to Quinyon Mitchell, I suspect the Lions know more about him than any other team given the fact that he has played his entire career at a school that is about an hour away from Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Stiggers in the 3rd is a multiple round reach but then again he did draft Paschal in the second multiple rounds higher than expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Quick 7 rd mock from PFN with no trades 29. Byron Murphy II DT Texas 61. Darius Robinson EDGE Missouri 73. Ricky Pearsall WR Florida 164. Zak Zinter OG Michigan 201. Dylan McMahon OG NC State 205. Sione Vaki S Utah 249. Qwan’tez Stiggers CB Toronto (CFL) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detfan782004 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 10 hours ago, Just Want A Title said: That is fairly misleading. The net loss would be one first round pick. Not two. It's misleading to downplay. It would be two first round picks where two players could be drafted and you are getting one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Want A Title Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 3 hours ago, Louis Friend said: Stiggers in the 3rd is a multiple round reach but then again he did draft Paschal in the second multiple rounds higher than expected. If I remember correctly, Josh Pascal was projected as a mid-2nd round pick. Stiggers in the 3rd isn't as much of a reach as you might think. He checks in at 204 Lbs which means he is closer to NFL play-strength than other prospects. He has plenty of experience in playing zone coverage at a high level so he will have sub-pckage roles right away. His physical testing numbers and Shrine Bowl work are pretty good. A late-third round-early 4th isn't unrealistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Paschal was projected as a 4th rd pick, Brodric Martin was projected in the 5th-6th. Maybe you’re thinking of Onwuzurike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Want A Title Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 2 hours ago, Louis Friend said: Quick 7 rd mock from PFN with no trades 29. Byron Murphy II DT Texas 61. Darius Robinson EDGE Missouri 73. Ricky Pearsall WR Florida 164. Zak Zinter OG Michigan 201. Dylan McMahon OG NC State 205. Sione Vaki S Utah 249. Qwan’tez Stiggers CB Toronto (CFL) Unless things have somehow drastically changed there is no way the first four selections fall to those slots. Byron Murphy II might have a small chance at sliding but gvien the lack of 1st-round talent at DT that would be pretty surprising. If Robinson slides out of the first round he isn't making it past #50. Ricky Persall is getting some love for a surprsise 1st-round selection but he won't make it out of the 2nd round even in this year's loaded WR class. Zak Zinter, even with his injury, won't make it out of the 3rd round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Just now, Just Want A Title said: Unless things have somehow drastically changed there is no way the first four selections fall to those slots. Byron Murphy II might have a small chance at sliding but gvien the lack of 1st-round talent at DT that would be pretty surprising. If Robinson slides out of the first round he isn't making it past #50. Ricky Persall is getting some love for a surprsise 1st-round selection but he won't make it out of the 2nd round even in this year's loaded WR class. Zak Zinter, even with his injury, won't make it out of the 3rd round. We say that every year and players drop. There’s always 75-80 guys we KNOW aren’t making it out of the second round. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Want A Title Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 4 minutes ago, Louis Friend said: Paschal was projected as a 4th rd pick, Brodric Martin was projected in the 5th-6th. Maybe you’re thinking of Onwuzurike. These links say Day 2/2nd Round on Josh Pascal: Josh Paschal, Kentucky DE | NFL Draft Scouting Report (profootballnetwork.com) Josh Paschal NFL Draft 2022: Scouting Report for Kentucky EDGE | News, Scores, Highlights, Stats, and Rumors | Bleacher Report 2022 NFL draft: Joshua Paschal scouting report (usatoday.com) Ravens 2022 draft prospect profile: EDGE Josh Paschal (usatoday.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Want A Title Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 14 minutes ago, Louis Friend said: Paschal was projected as a 4th rd pick, Brodric Martin was projected in the 5th-6th. Maybe you’re thinking of Onwuzurike. We had this discussion about Brodric Martin after the draft. He had a couple of other teams interested in him in the late 3rd and early 4th round based on his Shrine Bowl work. As I recall, the Chiefs were one of those teams. The Chiefs also brought him in for a top 30 visit. 2023 NFL draft: Chiefs host Western Kentucky’s Brodric Martin on visit (usatoday.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superduperman Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 5 hours ago, Just Want A Title said: With respect to Quinyon Mitchell, I suspect the Lions know more about him than any other team given the fact that he has played his entire career at a school that is about an hour away from Detroit. they have this thing called film now 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Want A Title Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, Superduperman said: they have this thing called film now Can film help you get a handle on his work ethic, his ability to accept and process coaching or his character? His position coach has strong ties to the Detroit area also. Corey Parker - Football Coach - University of Toledo Athletics (utrockets.com) Edited April 21 by Just Want A Title Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superduperman Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 38 minutes ago, Just Want A Title said: Can film help you get a handle on his work ethic, his ability to accept and process coaching or his character? His position coach was a coach has strong ties to the Detroit area also. Corey Parker - Football Coach - University of Toledo Athletics (utrockets.com) i betcha he has a phone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnivolcm Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, Louis Friend said: Paschal was projected as a 4th rd pick, Brodric Martin was projected in the 5th-6th. Maybe you’re thinking of Onwuzurike. I remember Paschal as being mostly viewed as a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Top 3 draft profiles on google pretty much agree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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