ronjon1990 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 3 hours ago, big_palooka said: It was over a contractional dispute. I know you love to be the wet blanket of the forum, but at least get your facts straight playboy. I know it was, but still. Horrible look overall. We had an offensive staff ready to rock and then...nada. Maybe Kliff and Co. would've done some extra negotiating if they had faith in our main staff. I think it all reeks of dysfunction either way: have Kliff, lose Kilff, have Foster, lose Foster. Scramble for Getsy. Be in on a QB. Not appear to be particularly serious about QB. I've said prior I don't know if that's more AP or Telesco, but it's an awful lot for one season (especially one now without a lot of optimism on offense) for anything to be chalked up with too much simplicity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 17 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: I know it was, but still. Horrible look overall. We had an offensive staff ready to rock and then...nada. Maybe Kliff and Co. would've done some extra negotiating if they had faith in our main staff. I think it all reeks of dysfunction either way: have Kliff, lose Kilff, have Foster, lose Foster. Scramble for Getsy. Be in on a QB. Not appear to be particularly serious about QB. I've said prior I don't know if that's more AP or Telesco, but it's an awful lot for one season (especially one now without a lot of optimism on offense) for anything to be chalked up with too much simplicity. Foster got a HC job at UCLA, so that's hardly dysfunctional. They've made the bed so to speak. I had no faith in AP building a dynamic offensive staff going in, which is why I advocated not hiring him. It's a bit crazy how quickly the allure of AP faded this offseason. Expectations are as low as I can remember with the fan base. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted September 4 Author Share Posted September 4 1 hour ago, NCOUGHMAN said: I thought you was switching to the rams to support your boy jimmy g? I’m a true raiders fan bud I hope you follow AP but I don’t think HS ball that interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted September 4 Author Share Posted September 4 2 hours ago, ronjon1990 said: Man.... I swear, if those 2 make magic together, it's going to sting, considering they were clearly our choice of QB and OC. They weren’t willing to give up the farm so clearly they didn’t really value Stroud last year or Daniels this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 28 minutes ago, NYRaider said: They weren’t willing to give up the farm so clearly they didn’t really value Stroud last year or Daniels this year. Which "they"? You're talking about 2 different regimes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted September 4 Author Share Posted September 4 34 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Which "they"? You're talking about 2 different regimes Ziegler clearly didn’t and neither did Telesco they both tied themselves to mediocre journeymen QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted September 4 Author Share Posted September 4 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: Foster got a HC job at UCLA, so that's hardly dysfunctional. They've made the bed so to speak. I had no faith in AP building a dynamic offensive staff going in, which is why I advocated not hiring him. It's a bit crazy how quickly the allure of AP faded this offseason. Expectations are as low as I can remember with the fan base. Agreed everyone was acting like AP was the new Madden last year. Now there’s a lot of goal post moving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickButera Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 2 hours ago, NYRaider said: Agreed everyone was acting like AP was the new Madden last year. Now there’s a lot of goal post moving I just re-read the first 15 pages of the AP hired thread earlier this afternoon and literally not one person even said anything close to those things. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted September 4 Author Share Posted September 4 2 hours ago, NickButera said: I just re-read the first 15 pages of the AP hired thread earlier this afternoon and literally not one person even said anything close to those things. The AP glazing on here was crazy and now everyone's walking it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 13 hours ago, NYRaider said: I’m a true raiders fan bud I hope you follow AP but I don’t think HS ball that interesting I’m a hs coach lol I love hs football one of my older players moved up from d3 to d1 this year watched him play on Thursday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted September 4 Author Share Posted September 4 Just now, NCOUGHMAN said: I’m a hs coach lol I love hs football one of my older players moved up from d3 to d1 this year watched him play on Thursday. You should offer AP a job on your staff after this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 12 hours ago, NYRaider said: They weren’t willing to give up the farm so clearly they didn’t really value Stroud last year or Daniels this year. Or Washington told teams they are not trading the #2 pick because they've been desperate to find a QB for years. There was never a possibility of trading up to #2. Why do you keep lying to yourself about this subject? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted September 4 Author Share Posted September 4 36 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Or Washington told teams they are not trading the #2 pick because they've been desperate to find a QB for years. There was never a possibility of trading up to #2. Why do you keep lying to yourself about this subject? How long do you think it took AP and Telesco to figure that out bud? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styrian Raider Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 6 minutes ago, NYRaider said: How long do you think it took AP and Telesco to figure that out bud? How much of the work / thought process during the weaks and months before the draft do you think leaves the building? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitty 2.0 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 What is everybody talking about? Jim Hardaugh is a great HC but he’s running the same offense we’re going to run. He’s not a great offense of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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