Tank4Drake Posted Wednesday at 06:08 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:08 PM 1 minute ago, ronjon1990 said: Then runs backwards and spins around trying to recreate his big college highlights before being run over by a full grown man instead of slipping away from an undersized Portland St LB. Yeah he tries the Mahomes thing and is absolutely horrendous at it. There’s only one Mahomes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossibleCabbage Posted Wednesday at 06:16 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:16 PM 1 hour ago, Hunter2_1 said: We are strangely having a season where offenses can’t pass or run that well It's possible this shift is tectonic. Like for a while we've had a period where we hit on a lot of high variance QB prospects because for all their flaws, they were able to make enough big plays to be a major asset for the offense. But if defenses are committed to "no, no big pass plays" even to the point of showing obvious vulnerabilities elsewhere, the shift NFL teams need to make is for steadier QBs who are content for a shorter depth of target (and less glory) because that's what helps you win. Like maybe Bo Nix is the QB from this class that fits the 2025+ NFL the best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted Wednesday at 06:18 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:18 PM 1 hour ago, Hunter2_1 said: Slowik’s currently overseeing the offense third from bottom in EPA, and constantly putting his QB in third and long. He had a very brief upward trajectory In all fairness, the Texans weren’t good on first and second down last year either IIRC. It’s not something brand new with Slowik this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatKing Posted Wednesday at 06:19 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:19 PM A lot of the OL problems are on Caleb's lack of pocket presence and poor footwork. There's way too many instances where he doesn't even take a drop, he'll just stand in the pocket flat footed and wait for a guy to break open. You can't be a successful QB in the NFL if you can't throw on time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted Wednesday at 06:24 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:24 PM 3 minutes ago, StatKing said: A lot of the OL problems are on Caleb's lack of pocket presence and poor footwork. There's way too many instances where he doesn't even take a drop, he'll just stand in the pocket flat footed and wait for a guy to break open. You can't be a successful QB in the NFL if you can't throw on time. Casuals don’t realize this though. Casuals always blame the OL. Caleb is not a high IQ player and makes his OL look worse. Maye and Jayden have Bottom 3 OL’s and will look good this year. They don’t fold under pressure like Caleb does. This forum clearly didn’t look at Caleb’s schedule last year. Bunch of soft defenses…. got absolute embarrassed by the only two tough defenses he played. It looked like Caleb had ZERO idea what he was seeing. He can’t read complex defenses. His football IQ is no where near Jayden, Maye, and McCarthy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatKing Posted Wednesday at 06:28 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:28 PM 2 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said: Casuals don’t realize this though. Casuals always blame the OL. Caleb is not a high IQ player and makes his OL look worse. Maye and Jayden have Bottom 3 OL’s and will look good this year. They don’t fold under pressure like Caleb does. This forum clearly didn’t look at Caleb’s schedule last year. Bunch of soft defenses…. got absolute embarrassed by the only two tough defenses he played. It looked like Caleb had ZERO idea what he was seeing. He can’t read complex defenses. His football IQ is no where near Jayden, Maye, and McCarthy. He just looks like a guy who's played his entire career in an air raid offense. I don't know what the Bears were having him work on in training camp but it doesn't seem like they had him working under center much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar12 Posted Wednesday at 06:35 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:35 PM He looked smaller than I thought running around out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted Wednesday at 07:14 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 07:14 PM 44 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said: This forum clearly didn’t look at Caleb’s schedule last year. Bunch of soft defenses…. got absolute embarrassed by the only two tough defenses he played. It looked like Caleb had ZERO idea what he was seeing. He can’t read complex defenses. His football IQ is no where near Jayden, Maye, and McCarthy. Mel or Stephen A or whoever said he was best prospect ever, and people just ran with it and scouted the box scores because "Pac 12 After Dark". LA + Big Stats = media meal ticket. The Arizona St game last year showed me everything I needed to know about him. He fumbled, he got lucky running around a bunch and someone popped open, he took completely unnecessary sacks. For every highlight reel play he had, he had 4 or 5 duds. And Arizona St wasn't some juggernaut defense, they were roughly average by Pac12 standards. Much like Zach Wilson vs CCU a few years ago, I watched Caleb's few true tests waiting to be amazed and came away thinking "He's not even the best player on the offense, much less in the country. What the heck do people see here?". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted Wednesday at 07:53 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 07:53 PM 17 hours ago, redsoxsuck05 said: Most QBs suck or didn't even play as rookies. CJ Stroud being great off the bat does not change this fact. Unserious thread. Peyton Manning is the outlier for guys who start right away, are poor, then become great. Could be that Stroud will be as well. Perhaps Daniels now, but the sample size is just too small. But yeah, for the majority of "future franchise QB draft picks", it is very wise to have them sit for a while. Maybe "a while" is 8-10 games. Maybe it is 2 years. Maybe for some it is 3. But sitting and learning appears to be the way to make sure you get the most out of your first round (franchise type) QB. Oh...and for the love of all that is holy. Give the kid an offensive line and a decent RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted Thursday at 04:59 AM Share Posted Thursday at 04:59 AM https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAUjegcy1sj/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== this is Kliffs downfall. Looks good on paper but teams catch up. He somewhat cripples you. Would always start fast in Az then burn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir L Posted Thursday at 05:09 AM Author Share Posted Thursday at 05:09 AM 11 hours ago, Tank4Drake said: This is pretty accurate so far. All the Caleb defenders are acting like he has a Bottom 5 OL lol. He makes the OL worse. Caleb is not a high IQ football player. He panics with pressure and folds. Just like he did in college vs Notre Dame and Oregon. Guys like Daniels, Maye, McCarthy do not fold under pressure and can still perform well with a bad OL. The Commanders and Patriots have a way worse OL than the Bears and a much worse weapon corps, and I think you’ll see Daniels and Maye have way better rookie seasons. McCarthy looked good in preseason in college didn’t throw the ball much wasn’t challenged but did go to the best situation but I wouldn’t be hyped up over the preseason caleb looked good in the preseason too so did a bunch of other qb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted Thursday at 05:11 AM Share Posted Thursday at 05:11 AM 2 minutes ago, Vladimir L said: McCarthy looked good in preseason in college didn’t throw the ball much wasn’t challenged but did go to the best situation but I wouldn’t be hyped up over the preseason caleb looked good in the preseason too so did a bunch of other qb Pre Season you don't have to read coverage. It's vanilla Cover 2 the entire game, literally every team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir L Posted Thursday at 05:13 AM Author Share Posted Thursday at 05:13 AM 12 minutes ago, El Ramster said: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAUjegcy1sj/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== this is Kliffs downfall. Looks good on paper but teams catch up. He somewhat cripples you. Would always start fast in Az then burn. This was his weakness even as a college coach we have the choke master Dan Quinn who was with another choke master Shannahan will history repeat? Commanders choke in a few years in a Super Bowl with kliff and Quinn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir L Posted Thursday at 05:14 AM Author Share Posted Thursday at 05:14 AM 2 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said: Pre Season you don't have to read coverage. It's vanilla Cover 2 the entire game, literally every team. No one is really showing their blitz packages or trying to disguise stuff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted Thursday at 05:20 AM Share Posted Thursday at 05:20 AM 10 hours ago, StatKing said: He just looks like a guy who's played his entire career in an air raid offense. I don't know what the Bears were having him work on in training camp but it doesn't seem like they had him working under center much. Chicago is a place where QBs go to die. Even Fields is looking competent now that he is in Pittsburgh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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