bucksavage1 Posted Monday at 09:42 PM Share Posted Monday at 09:42 PM 18 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Based on what though? We have over a decade to look at with Telesco and none of it is great. Looking at how they responded this week I think this thing might get ugly. Also zero chance that Adams ever suits up here again, IMO. Gonna mess around and find out with Telesco Luckily Tom Brady will clean house after the season of everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted Monday at 09:44 PM Share Posted Monday at 09:44 PM 9 minutes ago, NYRaider said: For the team not to be one of the worst in the NFL after winning 8 games last season? Pierce was already the coach. Pierce and Getsy combo. Yikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted Monday at 09:46 PM Author Share Posted Monday at 09:46 PM 1 minute ago, Humble_Beast said: Pierce was already the coach. Pierce and Getsy combo. Yikes They won 8 games with AP and Bo Hardagree last year. You're saying Telesco is goated and doing a good job, why is the team significantly worse in his first year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted Monday at 09:47 PM Author Share Posted Monday at 09:47 PM 3 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: Gonna mess around and find out with Telesco Luckily Tom Brady will clean house after the season of everyone Telesco hasn't proven anything other than he knows how to squander years of elite QB play. I'm sure Tom already had input on the AP/Telesco hires. He's just now officially becoming an owner but he has been around the team for a long time now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted Monday at 10:37 PM Share Posted Monday at 10:37 PM 44 minutes ago, NYRaider said: They won 8 games with AP and Bo Hardagree last year. You're saying Telesco is goated and doing a good job, why is the team significantly worse in his first year? Nobody is saying he is “goated”, just that he had a good first draft. If Telesco nails the first three picks in all his drafts then it’s a damn sight better than what we’ve been doing in the draft for the past 20+ years. I don’t expect him to do that, but I do think he’ll make smart picks at the top end of the draft which the Raiders seem to be allergic to doing. Of course he’s not perfect, otherwise the Chargers would have done more during his tenure. I still have my reservations about what kind of HC he’s going to hire (if he even has a say in that process, which might be an even more worrying factor if he doesn’t), and depth will be an issue. I don’t think he’s a top GM by any means, and honestly if Brady does have some kind of say and wants to pull the plug on his tenure I won’t particularly care, but I do think he’ll bring at least some level of stability to our personnel department if we keep him around for a few years. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted Monday at 11:22 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:22 PM 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: He had 11 years with the Chargers and during his entire stint there he had a top 10 franchise QB with Rivers or Herbert. Despite having a top tier QB to build around they only made the playoffs three times with two playoff victories. Despite top tier QB play his teams never even got close to sniffing contention and he drafted notoriously poorly in the mid to late rounds. Ignore cheap ownership, all the injuries and coaches he was made to hang on too past their expiration date. It's not always on the GM. You can't argue he put together some talented rosters, they simply never had coaching. But honestly, I couldn't care less what he did with the Chargers. Different owners, different philosophy, etc. He came in with a clean slate in my book and has performed well thus far. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted Monday at 11:25 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:25 PM 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: For the team not to be one of the worst in the NFL after winning 8 games last season? You're constantly pointing out the gifted wins against awful backups though? Why use that argument. And it's year 1. You want Telesco to compensate for JMDs dismantling of the team in 1 offseason? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted Monday at 11:27 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:27 PM 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: They won 8 games with AP and Bo Hardagree last year. You're saying Telesco is goated and doing a good job, why is the team significantly worse in his first year? Antonio Pierce. He's not an NFL head coach. He gave them the interim bump, it's faded and we are back to the drawing board. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted Monday at 11:41 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:41 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, Nightmare said: Nobody is saying he is “goated”, just that he had a good first draft. If Telesco nails the first three picks in all his drafts then it’s a damn sight better than what we’ve been doing in the draft for the past 20+ years. I don’t expect him to do that, but I do think he’ll make smart picks at the top end of the draft which the Raiders seem to be allergic to doing. Of course he’s not perfect, otherwise the Chargers would have done more during his tenure. I still have my reservations about what kind of HC he’s going to hire (if he even has a say in that process, which might be an even more worrying factor if he doesn’t), and depth will be an issue. I don’t think he’s a top GM by any means, and honestly if Brady does have some kind of say and wants to pull the plug on his tenure I won’t particularly care, but I do think he’ll bring at least some level of stability to our personnel department if we keep him around for a few years. This year is going be ugly without a QB and a lame duck head coach but we need a bad season. This team needs a stud QB period. Hiring a great coach like Ben Johnson and a stud QB would do wonders. Trade Tae for a 2nd Spend a top 5 on QB 3 more picks in the first 3 rounds Sign Tee Higgins to be WR1 , would have 100m in cap space bring back Spillane, Deablo, J Jones, Hobbs, Moehrig, Mattison on fair value contracts QB: R1 / Minshew RB: R3 / Mattison WR: Higgins, Meyers, Tucker, R4, Turner/random vet TE: Brock / Mayer LT: Miller / Munford LG: JPJ Center: James / Parham RG: R3 - FA Depth RT: Glaze DE: Maxx, Robinson/Snowden/Chaisson UT: Wilkins, ? FA depth NT: R2 , ? FA depth DE: Wilson, Koonce WLB: Deablo, Burney/ Gainer MLB: Spillane, Eichenberg CB: Jones, Richardson CB: Bennett, Holmes/Webb CB: Hobbs FS: Moehrig, Smith SS: Pola , Taylor use next year picks R1 - QB R2- RG/ DT R2- DT/ RG R3 - RB R4- BPA - build depth and maybe hit on a sleeper or two That team is not bad. Guys like Deablo and Wilson would have to play well to have their spot in 2025*The key would be hiring an upgraded coaching staff and getting a franchise QB. We will have over 100m in cap space, so we would be more active in free agency. This is just a modest outlook Edited Monday at 11:42 PM by Humble_Beast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted yesterday at 12:14 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:14 AM 2 hours ago, NYRaider said: Bowers has obviously been great and JPJ/Glaze are playing but there also one of the main reasons that our offense is absolutely terrible. After that we've gotten literally zero contribution from the other 5 rookies he drafted. JPJ/Glaze definitely are definitely not the main reasons for the offense being bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted yesterday at 12:16 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:16 AM 53 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Ignore cheap ownership, all the injuries and coaches he was made to hang on too past their expiration date. It's not always on the GM. You can't argue he put together some talented rosters, they simply never had coaching. But honestly, I couldn't care less what he did with the Chargers. Different owners, different philosophy, etc. He came in with a clean slate in my book and has performed well thus far. So injuries are an excuse for Telesco 11 years of mid but not for us that has missing players of nearly every position group? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted yesterday at 12:32 AM Author Share Posted yesterday at 12:32 AM 18 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: JPJ/Glaze definitely are definitely not the main reasons for the offense being bad. Our offensive line is terrible with JPJ and Glaze starting, not sure how you can consider those great picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted yesterday at 02:18 AM Share Posted yesterday at 02:18 AM 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: Our offensive line is terrible with JPJ and Glaze starting, not sure how you can consider those great picks. This is an insane line of thinking. And they definitely aren't terrible, both qb's have held the ball a while and are certainly making them look worse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaribouLou Posted yesterday at 02:43 AM Share Posted yesterday at 02:43 AM I feel like JPJ and Glaze have been the bright spots on the o-line. We had a 3rd round rookie against Watt last game and he did very well. Watt just about embarrasses everyone he goes against. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiderX Posted yesterday at 02:51 AM Share Posted yesterday at 02:51 AM 2 hours ago, NYRaider said: Our offensive line is terrible with JPJ and Glaze starting, not sure how you can consider those great picks. James is pushed around in the run game and Kolton is leading the league in sacks allowed. But yea, they're the problem 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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