CWood21 Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 1 hour ago, skibrett15 said: I think he needs to be traded this season, nobody is trading for him in the offseason to get a 20M part time player for 40M for 1 year. This year, his salary is lower and someone might be desperate And when you look at the financials, it costs more to trade Bakhtiari than it does to roster him this season...so trading him is a non-starter especially when you'd get peanuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, CWood21 said: And when you look at the financials, it costs more to trade Bakhtiari than it does to roster him this season...so trading him is a non-starter especially when you'd get peanuts. look again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 Just now, skibrett15 said: look again Packers eat the dead money from the '23 pro-rated SB ($19.1M) and the '24 pro-rated SB ($19.1M) plus the money spent on him already including base salary (~141k) and workout bonus (700k). The Packers would have roughly $39M in dead cap ASSUMING they traded Bakh. His current cap hit is $21M. The good news is they'd be free of any money tied to Bakh in 2024, where if they traded/released him they'd have $19.1M in dead cap. The problem is Green Bay is somewhere between $8.8M-$9.7M in cap space without any real way to create more cap space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Packers eat the dead money from the '23 pro-rated SB ($19.1M) and the '24 pro-rated SB ($19.1M) plus the money spent on him already including base salary (~141k) and workout bonus (700k). The Packers would have roughly $39M in dead cap ASSUMING they traded Bakh. His current cap hit is $21M. The good news is they'd be free of any money tied to Bakh in 2024, where if they traded/released him they'd have $19.1M in dead cap. The problem is Green Bay is somewhere between $8.8M-$9.7M in cap space without any real way to create more cap space. look again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: look again Feel free to point it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrILL! Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 Just to throw a little kindling on the “should we trade for Jonathan Taylor?” fire, the 49ers haven’t lost in the regular season since acquiring CMC (which predates Purdy playing iirc). He’s made a huge difference for them and is already tearing it up this season. If SF is the blueprint for what MLF wants to do, could Taylor make a similar impact? And while, yes, Taylor is battling injuries, remember that CMC missed some serious time in Carolina and ultimately rebounded. Not saying we should necessarily trade for him during this season (unless it makes the difference in our ability to acquire him as opposed to next offseason) but he could be beneficial to this offense (and Love) reaching the next level. Dillon ain’t it and has to go and Taylor could help segue into what happens with Jones. Thoughts? Just to switch it up from the Bakhtiari debate… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 Just now, CWood21 said: Feel free to point it out. 1.5-2M savings in 2023, 19M dead cap in 2024 if they trade him now/before the deadline. Post 6/1 trade: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/david-bakhtiari-12390/ https://overthecap.com/player/david-bakhtiari/2377 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, thrILL! said: Just to throw a little kindling on the “should we trade for Jonathan Taylor?” fire, the 49ers haven’t lost in the regular season since acquiring CMC (which predates Purdy playing iirc). He’s made a huge difference for them and is already tearing it up this season. If SF is the blueprint for what MLF wants to do, could Taylor make a similar impact? And while, yes, Taylor is battling injuries, remember that CMC missed some serious time in Carolina and ultimately rebounded. Not saying we should necessarily trade for him during this season (unless it makes the difference in our ability to acquire him as opposed to next offseason) but he could be beneficial to this offense (and Love) reaching the next level. Dillon ain’t it and has to go and Taylor could help segue into what happens with Jones. Thoughts? Just to switch it up from the Bakhtiari debate… Was thinking the exact same thing last night watching that game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: 1.5-2M savings in 2023, 19M dead cap in 2024 if they trade him now/before the deadline. Post 6/1 trade: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/david-bakhtiari-12390/ https://overthecap.com/player/david-bakhtiari/2377 You're missing the whole point. The idea of trading him now (for peanuts mind you) is that you're clearing his salary off the books next year. If you stretch that cap hit over 2 years, that doesn't clear money off next year. You don't save money this year AND save money next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, thrILL! said: Just to throw a little kindling on the “should we trade for Jonathan Taylor?” fire, the 49ers haven’t lost in the regular season since acquiring CMC (which predates Purdy playing iirc). He’s made a huge difference for them and is already tearing it up this season. If SF is the blueprint for what MLF wants to do, could Taylor make a similar impact? And while, yes, Taylor is battling injuries, remember that CMC missed some serious time in Carolina and ultimately rebounded. Not saying we should necessarily trade for him during this season (unless it makes the difference in our ability to acquire him as opposed to next offseason) but he could be beneficial to this offense (and Love) reaching the next level. Dillon ain’t it and has to go and Taylor could help segue into what happens with Jones. Thoughts? Just to switch it up from the Bakhtiari debate… I think if another team has Aaron Jones we should try to trade for him. But luckily, we already have him and he fits this offense so perfectly. Jones is the same caliber as CMC. He's our version of that. So, would it make sense for SF to trade for Taylor right now? That's how I look at it. Edited September 22, 2023 by incognito_man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, incognito_man said: I think if another team has Aaron Jones we should try to trade for him. But luckily, we already have him and he fits this offense so perfectly. And he's about to be 29.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 31 minutes ago, CWood21 said: And when you look at the financials, it costs more to trade Bakhtiari than it does to roster him this season...so trading him is a non-starter especially when you'd get peanuts. 20 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Packers eat the dead money from the '23 pro-rated SB ($19.1M) and the '24 pro-rated SB ($19.1M) plus the money spent on him already including base salary (~141k) and workout bonus (700k). The Packers would have roughly $39M in dead cap ASSUMING they traded Bakh. His current cap hit is $21M. The good news is they'd be free of any money tied to Bakh in 2024, where if they traded/released him they'd have $19.1M in dead cap. The problem is Green Bay is somewhere between $8.8M-$9.7M in cap space without any real way to create more cap space. 4 minutes ago, CWood21 said: You're missing the whole point. The idea of trading him now (for peanuts mind you) is that you're clearing his salary off the books next year. If you stretch that cap hit over 2 years, that doesn't clear money off next year. You don't save money this year AND save money next year. He costs 19M next year in dead cap whether you trade him or release him. Or 40M if they keep him next year. He's a $38M obligation any way you slice it. You do get a bit of extra cap room if you trade him this year though. If he plays the next 3 weeks (big if) then he could have some value at the deadline. Bottom line is despite his capabilities when he does play he's a roster liability because of the cap obligations and his injuries. But I'm missing the whole point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 1 minute ago, skibrett15 said: He costs 19M next year in dead cap whether you trade him or release him. Or 40M if they keep him next year. He's a $38M obligation any way you slice it. You do get a bit of extra cap room if you trade him this year though. If he plays the next 3 weeks (big if) then he could have some value at the deadline. Bottom line is despite his capabilities when he does play he's a roster liability because of the cap obligations and his injuries. But I'm missing the whole point. In what way is he a liability? It's sunk cost. Money's been paid, we owe it whether he's here or not. Bakh gives you play quality of a multiple 1sts LT, his injury probably makes him worth a 5th. So in what way do we gain value by trading the best pass pro OL in football for peanuts to save on a sunk cost?? Bad business.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 Trading for JT would be a terrible move He's nowhere near as dynamic as McCaffrey. Not as good as Aaron Jones. Not even that good of a player IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: But I'm missing the whole point. The whole concept of trading him this year is about clearing his money off the books next year. At this point, I think we'd be lucky get a conditional Day 3 pick for him. Teams aren't going to exactly be jumping at the idea of paying him a ton of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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