SlevinKelevra Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, warfelg said: I said it a page or two ago: They sign guys to do specific things. They sign guys to do a single thing, not multiple things. That's why they have better depth. Hightower goes down, and they adjust from a 3-4 to a 4-3, put Van Noy back on the inside, use a run stopping LB to come out on the nickle, and use certain corners for specific things. having 53 players that can each do 2 or 3 things gives you far better depth than 53 players who can each do 1 thing. or you know, teams keep swing lineman on the roster for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, TXsteeler said: Yes it does. Why was Peyton Manning a good QB, don't quote statistics. Why is Christopher Nolan a good director, don't quote box office #s. Why is Kanye a good rapper, don't quote album sales. You can answer any of these questions without resorting to math. Why is Tomlin a good coach, don't quote his record? The problem with your logic is that, when it comes to coaching, most coaching is done where fans dont see it....be it at practice, in the lockerroom, in the film room and on the sidelines when the camera isnt on him. That directly effects the product we see on the field. The product we see on the field can be inconsistent....in large part because of Tomlin's shortcomings, but once again, no one is claiming Tomlin is "great", but to claim we should just ignore his accomplishments from a record perspective is laughable. Tomlin's teams are usually good. Inconsistent....aggravating....but good. Thats really all that needs to be said. His players speak highly of him, he has never lost the locker room, his teams have shown alot of resilience in bad situations, and while he plays down to alot of bad teams, he plays up to alot of good ones. And despite some Steeler fans bashing him for not having success with Big Ben, how about looking at alot of these other teams that have franchise QBs and dont have as much success as Tomlin. Sean Peyton? Norv Turner? Tom Coughlin? Mike McCarthy? Pretty much anyone outside of the Patriots? The way some of you talk, you would think we were a perennial middling team under Tomlin.....as opposed to a team that is constantly in the race, and the only coach who has every CLEARLY outclassed him over the years is the greatest coach of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livewire Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 The 2016 draft class really took a step back this year. Burns and Davis stunk. Hargrave was not noticeable at least to me. They really need to have a bounce back year next season. Will a new secondary coach help? Right now I think it's time for Lake to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlevinKelevra Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, FourThreeMafia said: The problem with your logic is that, when it comes to coaching, most coaching is done where fans dont see it....be it at practice, in the lockerroom, in the film room and on the sidelines when the camera isnt on him. That directly effects the product we see on the field. The product we see on the field can be inconsistent....in large part because of Tomlin's shortcomings, but once again, no one is claiming Tomlin is "great", but to claim we should just ignore his accomplishments from a record perspective is laughable. Tomlin's teams are usually good. Inconsistent....aggravating....but good. Thats really all that needs to be said. His players speak highly of him, he has never lost the locker room, his teams have shown alot of resilience in bad situations, and while he plays down to alot of bad teams, he plays up to alot of good ones. And despite some Steeler fans bashing him for not having success with Big Ben, how about looking at alot of these other teams that have franchise QBs and dont have as much success as Tomlin. Sean Peyton? Norv Turner? Tom Coughlin? Mike McCarthy? Pretty much anyone outside of the Patriots? The way some of you talk, you would think we were a perennial middling team under Tomlin.....as opposed to a team that is constantly in the race, and the only coach who has every CLEARLY outclassed him over the years is the greatest coach of all time. the problem with this argument is that when you have the roster he has, just "good" is a below the line outcome that is not acceptable. By HIS VERY OWN WORDS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August4th Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 yeah.. forgot all about hargrave..he's been a ghost and what happen to tuitt? maybe his early season injury ruined his season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, August4th said: yeah.. forgot all about hargrave..he's been a ghost and what happen to tuitt? maybe his early season injury ruined his season Hargrave was asked to 2 gap more this year, Tuitt had a bad back all season that needed some work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 22 minutes ago, CKSteeler said: Nice soundbite, but not actually true. It was 100% true. While, at that time, teams had to make reservations, Cowher was publically speaking that his team reserved their rooms. You cannot have it both ways and laud Cowher when he did some of the exact same things that you lambast Tomlin for. http://old.post-gazette.com/steelers/20020128patriots0128np6.asp http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2017/12/01/mike-tomlin-steelers-patriots-super-bowl-odds-2017-minnesota-bill-belichick-bill-cowher/stories/201712030049 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlevinKelevra Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, FourThreeMafia said: The problem with your logic is that, when it comes to coaching, most coaching is done where fans dont see it....be it at practice, in the lockerroom, in the film room and on the sidelines when the camera isnt on him. That directly effects the product we see on the field. The product we see on the field can be inconsistent....in large part because of Tomlin's shortcomings, but once again, no one is claiming Tomlin is "great", but to claim we should just ignore his accomplishments from a record perspective is laughable. Tomlin's teams are usually good. Inconsistent....aggravating....but good. Thats really all that needs to be said. His players speak highly of him, he has never lost the locker room, his teams have shown alot of resilience in bad situations, and while he plays down to alot of bad teams, he plays up to alot of good ones. And despite some Steeler fans bashing him for not having success with Big Ben, how about looking at alot of these other teams that have franchise QBs and dont have as much success as Tomlin. Sean Peyton? Norv Turner? Tom Coughlin? Mike McCarthy? Pretty much anyone outside of the Patriots? The way some of you talk, you would think we were a perennial middling team under Tomlin.....as opposed to a team that is constantly in the race, and the only coach who has every CLEARLY outclassed him over the years is the greatest coach of all time. did you just say 1) ignoring accomplishments is laughable and 2) then list Tom Coughlin as somehow inferior to Tomlin? lmao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 15 minutes ago, CKSteeler said: How did the Patriots have better depth on defense? They were signing guys off the street to play for them. They simply found guys better than Sean Spence. I agree with that, but it goes back to Belichick. One thing that makes him so great is that he doesnt let any of his teams rely too heavily on one player (expect Brady). Its why they have lost players every year and plugged in new ones and rarely ever see a significant drop. He finds players that play certain roles well and buy into his system. Its part of what makes Belichick....Belichick....and its unrealistic to expect something that no other team comes close to doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, MOSteelers56 said: This offseason is going to be unbearable on here. Didn't you know? We're supposed to win the Super Bowl every single year. God Forbid we're playing in the same era as a 17 year dynasty and have 3 Appearances in that span and are likely better off if either team's QB retires. Nope! Super BOwl or bust every eyar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SlevinKelevra Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, BlaqOptic said: Didn't you know? We're supposed to win the Super Bowl every single year. God Forbid we're playing in the same era as a 17 year dynasty and have 3 Appearances in that span and are likely better off if either team's QB retires. Nope! Super BOwl or bust every eyar! 50 minutes ago, SlevinKelevra said: Tomlin also alluded to his team’s aspiration to add a seventh Lombardi Trophy by telling Dungy, “We can win it all. “We should win it all.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLambert58 Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 Anyone who thinks is Tomlin should be fired is a ******* idiot. I know some of you aren't old enough to remember, but Cowher had A LOT of losses like this in the playoffs. Some even worse. It's a goddamn competitive league with professional coaches and good players on every team. The Jags defense is LOADED with talented players. You can't win every year. Even the great Belichick & Brady tandem lost for 10 years running - in Brady's prime! Tomlin is a GOOD coach, not an all-time great, but a hell of a lot better than most of the HCs in the league. Yeah, this loss sucks and we're all pissed off and ready to fight a bar-full of Patriots fans right now, but to just take the lazy way out and say Tomlin sucks is simpleminded and wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR43 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 29 minutes ago, TXsteeler said: Yes it does. Why was Peyton Manning a good QB, don't quote statistics. Why is Christopher Nolan a good director, don't quote box office #s. Why is Kanye a good rapper, don't quote album sales. You can answer any of these questions without resorting to math. Why is Tomlin a good coach, don't quote his record? How am i supposed to tell you how Tomlin is a good coach without acknowledging his accomplishments? Use that same logic the next time you're on a job interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, SlevinKelevra said: Just because Tomlin feels they should win it all doesn't mean they (a) can, (b) will, or (c) should. He can't control several factors such as injuries, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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