MKnight82 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, squire12 said: @MKnight82 Do you have a proposal for criteria and stipulations on a franchise tag and trade process? I think your argument is best served by bringing a process tot he table with some rules/guidelines that can be discussed. If this has been something that was a concern of your's in previous years TCMD, has it been approached with a proposal of some sort. There is a lot of work that goes into this and to be looking for something to be changed in the 11th hour is problematic. @ny92jefferis had offered plenty of invites for review and discussion. My apologies if you brought this up during that time, but if not, then claiming that the Mock is a lost interest to you when this has been the rule for a few years is in poor taste. Its not in poor taste. I talk to ny92jeff about the mock all the time. I've helped him set up formulas for the mock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: Its not in poor taste. I talk to ny92jeff about the mock all the time. I've helped him set up formulas for the mock. OK. Thanks for letting me know. Do you have a proposal of how this could be worked out? Are you looking for a no limits tag and trade option? Or are you looking to have some semblance of reality and keeps things in check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, squire12 said: changed in the 11th hour is problematic It wouldn't be problematic at all. He already has the spreadsheet for tagging set up, so teams can already tag players. They then should be able to trade a franchise tagged player if they don't extend them. If the tagged player is traded he can just move that player to the other teams roster. Its really quite simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, squire12 said: OK. Thanks for letting me know. Do you have a proposal of how this could be worked out? Are you looking for a no limits tag and trade option? Or are you looking to have some semblance of reality and keeps things in check. Well I don't think there should be any restrictions, there aren't IRL. Idk why there needs to be a mechanism to force people to act a certain way. If he's going to insist I guess make a minimum trade value, but forcing two first is just ridiculous no one will do that. Matt Cassel is probably the cheapest Franchised player to ever be traded. He was traded for the 34th overall pick, so maybe round that off to #32 and say a 1st round pick minimum or equal trade value via the typical trade value scale. So a minimum of 590 points must head to the trading team, or you could go with the exact 34th pick at 560 points. Whatever. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp ROUND 1 ROUND 2 ROUND 3 ROUND 4 ROUND 5 ROUND 6 ROUND 7 PK/TM VALUE PK/TM VALUE PK/TM VALUE PK/TM VALUE PK/TM VALUE PK/TM VALUE PK/TM VALUE 1 CLE 3000 33 CLE 580 65 CLE 265 97 CLE 112 129 CLE 43 161 CLE 26.6 193 CLE 13.8 2 NYG 2600 34 NYG 560 66 NYG 260 98 NYG 108 130 NYG 42 162 NYG 26.2 194 NYG 13.4 3 IND 2200 35 CLE 550 67 IND 255 99 IND 104 131 IND 41 163 IND 25.8 195 IND 13 4 CLE 1800 36 IND 540 68 HOU 250 100 HOU 100 132 SEA 40 164 HOU 25.4 196 HOU 12.6 5 DEN 1700 37 NYJ 530 69 TB 245 101 CHI 96 133 DEN 39 165 NYJ 25 197 MIA 12.2 6 NYJ 1600 38 TB 520 70 SF 240 102 DEN 92 134 SF 38.5 166 TB 24.6 198 CHI 11.8 7 TB 1500 39 CHI 510 71 DEN 235 103 NYJ 88 135 TB 38 167 CHI 24.2 199 DEN 11.4 8 CHI 1400 40 DEN 500 72 NYJ 230 104 TB 86 136 CHI 37.5 168 DEN 23.8 200 SEA 11 9 OAK 1350 41 NE 490 73 MIA 225 105 OAK 84 137 SF 37 169 MIA 23.4 201 OAK 10.6 10 SF 1300 42 MIA 480 74 OAK 220 106 SF 82 138 NO 36.5 170 OAK 23 202 SF 10.2 11 MIA 1250 43 OAK 470 75 SF 215 107 MIA 80 139 SEA 36 171 SF 22.6 203 MIA 9.8 12 CIN 1200 44 WAS 460 76 GB 210 108 CIN 78 140 WAS 35.5 172 GB 22.2 204 CIN 9.4 13 WAS 1150 45 GB 450 77 CIN 205 109 WAS 76 141 GB 35 173 CIN 21.8 205 WAS 9 14 GB 1100 46 CIN 440 78 WAS 200 110 GB 74 142 CIN 34.5 174 WAS 21.4 206 GB 8.6 15 ARI 1050 47 ARI 430 79 ARI 195 111 CHI 72 143 ARI 34 175 NO 21 207 ARI 8.2 16 BA 1000 48 LAC 420 80 HOU 190 112 DAL 70 144 DET 33.5 176 BAL 20.6 208 LAC 7.8 17 LAC 950 49 NYJ 410 81 DAL 185 113 DET 68 145 BAL 33 177 LAC 20.2 209 NYJ 7.4 18 SEA 900 50 DAL 400 82 DET 180 114 BAL 66 146 LAC 32.6 178 OAK 19.8 210 DAL 7 19 DAL 875 51 DET 390 83 BAL 175 115 LAC 64 147 PHI 32.2 179 DAL 19.4 211 DET 6.6 20 DET 850 52 BAL 380 84 LAC 170 116 SEA 62 148 NYJ 31.8 180 LAR 19 212 BAL 6.2 21 BUF 800 53 BUF 370 85 CAR 165 117 BUF 60 149 BUF 31.4 181 LAR 18.6 213 GB 5.8 22 BUF 780 54 KC 360 86 KC 160 118 KC 58 150 CLE 31 182 KC 18.2 214 SF 5.4 23 LAR 760 55 BUF 350 87 LAR 155 119 LAR 56 151 LAR 30.6 183 LAR 17.8 215 LAR 5 24 CAR 740 56 CAR 340 88 CAR 150 120 CLE 54 152 CAR 30.2 184 CAR 17.4 216 CAR 4.6 25 TEN 720 57 TEN 330 89 TEN 145 121 TEN 52 153 TEN 29.8 185 TEN 17 217 TEN 4.2 26 ATL 700 58 ATL 320 90 ATL 140 122 ATL 50 154 ATL 29.4 186 ATL 16.6 218 ATL 3.8 27 NO 680 59 SF 310 91 NO 136 123 NO 49 155 NO 29 187 NO 16.2 219 NO 3.4 28 PIT 660 60 PIT 300 92 PIT 132 124 SF 48 156 PIT 28.6 188 TB 15.8 220 PIT 3 29 JAX 640 61 JAX 292 93 JAX 128 125 JAX 47 157 BUF 28.2 189 JAX 15.4 221 JAX 2.8 30 MIN 620 62 MIN 284 94 MIN 124 126 PHI 46 158 MIN 27.8 190 MIN 15 222 SEA 2.4 31 PHI 600 63 CLE 276 95 BUF 120 127 MIA 45 159 PHI 27.4 191 PHI 14.6 223 PHI 2 32 NE 590 64 NE 270 96 NE 116 128 NE 44 160 NE 27 192 NE 14.2 224 CIN 1.6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 What if there is a set timeline that a trade or extension needed to be completed by. Say WAS posts that they are putting the franchise tag on Cousins. That starts a 72 hour clock that a trade or long term extension needs to be posted, otherwise Cousins counts at the franchise tag value for TCMD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny92mike Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 alright I'm home and catching up on the latest post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 minute ago, squire12 said: What if there is a set timeline that a trade or extension needed to be completed by. Say WAS posts that they are putting the franchise tag on Cousins. That starts a 72 hour clock that a trade or long term extension needs to be posted, otherwise Cousins counts at the franchise tag value for TCMD Why are we stuck paying the tagged value? Isn't that going to force teams to sell low in order to move the player by the deadline? That's going to cause the exact opposite reaction of what you're looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I think Corey Williams went for a second (Brian Brohm). I don't see how trade tag is less a special benefit for Cousins than a FA bid then trade up though. Basically Bell.Trumaine Johnson all these approx 15 mil guys mightt as well be tag traded for immediate draft capital over comp picks since we are a one year mock. I think tagtrade makes sense if we did multiyear where the comp pick would be used would offset the likelihood of tagtrades edit sorry phone typing is not a skill I have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: Why are we stuck paying the tagged value? Isn't that going to force teams to sell low in order to move the player by the deadline? That's going to cause the exact opposite reaction of what you're looking for. You have a time frame to make your decision on trading him or doing the extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Just now, squire12 said: You have a time frame to make your decision on trading him or doing the extension. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 IRL, a long term deal needs to be completed by a set date or the player plays on the Franchise tag for that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, squire12 said: IRL, a long term deal needs to be completed by a set date or the player plays on the Franchise tag for that season. Ya but the restrictions of being on a message board, and having a war room of guys talking things over (on both sides) makes deadlines pretty tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny92mike Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 Alright @MKnight82 what exactly are you wanting to do. From what I've read, you want to tag Kirk and immediately turn around and trade him to Denver, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, ny92jefferis said: Alright @MKnight82 what exactly are you wanting to do. From what I've read, you want to tag Kirk and immediately turn around and trade him to Denver, correct? I want everyone to have the ability to trade franchised players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny92mike Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 Everyone has the ability to trade tagged players, under the tender offer sheet rules. Lets say that we allowed players to be tagged and traded. How long if any amount of time would the old team need to carry the tagged amount on their own cap before being allowed to trade the player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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