Shanedorf Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 hours ago, N4L said: The current rule is obviously terrible, and has been for 5+ years. Why the sudden change of heart? There are some seriously puckered sphincters in the league office right now. The ratings numbers continue to drop, the league and the networks are already doing "givebacks" to the advertisers to cover the loss of eyeballs on Sunday. They need to stop the bleeding . The catch rule is one highly visible way to show they care about what Joe Sixpack thinks of the current League offering. XFL is 2 plus years away, and there are 8 quarterly reports that hit before those guys are even on the radar screen. Roger said this in his recent presser : " The fans want more catches". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 On 2018-01-29 at 8:54 AM, Broncofan said: I’m glad they are revisiting this but not hopeful they will change the rule to something that can be enforced with transparency and clarity. But at least they’re looking at it. maybe they will make it worse, it is the nfl isn't it? easiest solution would be to ask fans what makes sense, as in a poll of a few different answers. Which is the most common answer is the new rule. The james play would have been a catch downed at the point where the ball was when his knee hit the ground. When was the definition of a catch complicated as it its now? How long ago did this rule get all messed up as it is now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 16 hours ago, Shanedorf said: There are some seriously puckered sphincters in the league office right now. The ratings numbers continue to drop, the league and the networks are already doing "givebacks" to the advertisers to cover the loss of eyeballs on Sunday. They need to stop the bleeding . The catch rule is one highly visible way to show they care about what Joe Sixpack thinks of the current League offering. XFL is 2 plus years away, and there are 8 quarterly reports that hit before those guys are even on the radar screen. Roger said this in his recent presser : " The fans want more catches". the fans also want a new commissioner and have for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles101 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 17 hours ago, Shanedorf said: There are some seriously puckered sphincters in the league office right now. The ratings numbers continue to drop, the league and the networks are already doing "givebacks" to the advertisers to cover the loss of eyeballs on Sunday. They need to stop the bleeding . The catch rule is one highly visible way to show they care about what Joe Sixpack thinks of the current League offering. XFL is 2 plus years away, and there are 8 quarterly reports that hit before those guys are even on the radar screen. Roger said this in his recent presser : " The fans want more catches". Stop the bleeding of increasing profit every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngosu Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, 3rivers said: maybe they will make it worse, it is the nfl isn't it? easiest solution would be to ask fans what makes sense, as in a poll of a few different answers. Which is the most common answer is the new rule. The james play would have been a catch downed at the point where the ball was when his knee hit the ground. When was the definition of a catch complicated as it its now? How long ago did this rule get all messed up as it is now? Why would he be down? He was never touched. That play should have been a TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raiderrocker18 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 just extend the scope of what constitutes a football move, and eliminate the need to "control the ball throughout the entire process" possession + 2 feet/knee + just about any other movement = catch i hate the "football move" thing, but it makes sense in circumstances when a player jumps for a ball and the defender knocks it out of his grasp the instant his feet tap the floor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 4 hours ago, youngosu said: Why would he be down? He was never touched. That play should have been a TD. I would have to watch it again, and really don't want to . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngosu Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, 3rivers said: I would have to watch it again, and really don't want to . He was never even close to being touched. He was literally laying in the endzone before a defender even got within 1 yard of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramxel Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 This thread only proves that this whole catch debate is here to stay, and won't be going anywhere for a while. The NFL has to do a better job of informing it's audience (fans/coaches/players) The NFL has to do a better job of making clear rules The NFL has to do a better job of consistently calling said rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingoLadd Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, kramxel said: This thread only proves that this whole catch debate is here to stay, and won't be going anywhere for a while. The NFL has to do a better job of informing it's audience (fans/coaches/players) The NFL has to do a better job of making clear rules The NFL has to do a better job of consistently calling said rules The NFL will fail at all three of those and we shall all groan when *insert player makes a catch that isn't a catch in the playoffs here* does it next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngosu Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 39 minutes ago, kramxel said: This thread only proves that this whole catch debate is here to stay, and won't be going anywhere for a while. The NFL has to do a better job of informing it's audience (fans/coaches/players) The NFL has to do a better job of making clear rules The NFL has to do a better job of consistently calling said rules Incorrect. The problem is the rule itself. It doesn't matter how well they teach the fanbase, it doesn't matter how clear the rule is, it doesn't matter if its called with 100% consistency. The rule itself lacks common sense and logic therefore even if the NFL did all 3 of those things they'd still be stuck with a bad rule. Honestly, if you don't understand the rule you aren't paying attention. I understand it just fine and frankly think the NFL does a pretty damn good job of consistently enforcing it (I can predict the result of the call with about 90% certainty if not more when watching) but I still complain because its such an absurd rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramxel Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 31 minutes ago, youngosu said: Incorrect. The problem is the rule itself. It doesn't matter how well they teach the fanbase, it doesn't matter how clear the rule is, it doesn't matter if its called with 100% consistency. The rule itself lacks common sense and logic therefore even if the NFL did all 3 of those things they'd still be stuck with a bad rule. Honestly, if you don't understand the rule you aren't paying attention. I understand it just fine and frankly think the NFL does a pretty damn good job of consistently enforcing it (I can predict the result of the call with about 90% certainty if not more when watching) but I still complain because its such an absurd rule. Most of the rules have an arbitrary side to them, the fact that they have been around for long, is what makes them bearable for the general public. If you can predict the call 90% of the time, congratulations. If you read through the thread you'll understand you're in a minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 On 1/29/2018 at 6:40 AM, jcvoodoo said: Agreed, they need to redo the rule. However, I think making it the discretion of the individual ref would invite even more controversy. Goodell's position in his presser today was that he'd like to see the Competition Committee start from scratch and just establish one definition, versus trying to reinterpret or rehash past definitions. The key will be in how intricate or complicated they make that definition from scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 On 1/30/2018 at 3:49 PM, Shanedorf said: There are some seriously puckered sphincters in the league office right now. The ratings numbers continue to drop, the league and the networks are already doing "givebacks" to the advertisers to cover the loss of eyeballs on Sunday. They need to stop the bleeding . The catch rule is one highly visible way to show they care about what Joe Sixpack thinks of the current League offering. XFL is 2 plus years away, and there are 8 quarterly reports that hit before those guys are even on the radar screen. Roger said this in his recent presser : " The fans want more catches". The league just auctioned off the rights to air the next 4 years of Thursday Night Football (the least-viewed of their live game programs) for $550 million a year to FOX. The XFL, and the likelihood that they're going to struggle to find a TV network deal, isn't scaring the NFL in the slightest right now. Rating are down, yet ad sale revenues were still up this year. Note, REVENUES. People really need to stop perpetuating this myth that the league is hemorraghing money or revenue from "bad ratings." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudson3010 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Changing the rule to something that makes sense (posession and football move) will lead to a lot of fumbles Therefore, I would keep the way it is except for the endzone. Once there’s possession of the football inside the endzone, the play should be over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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