Mazrimiv Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 10 hours ago, Packerraymond said: The 2009 Vikings and it's not even close. I still remember the 85 Bears. That team was fun as hell to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 34 minutes ago, incognito_man said: DVOA accounts for opponents I don't care about small sample size DVOA. As my friend @Norm says, there's more to life than computers. Look at that secondary, Jerry Jacobs, Cam Sutton, Brian Branch, Kerby Joseph, Tracy Walker. That's not a group that will hold up if you can get their front blocked, which has been proven already this season. Same recipe against their offense, Jared Goff under pressure in 2022? 32nd in completion%, 28th in QBR, 22nd in EPA. The Lions are built perfectly for taking advantage of teams that are weak up front, but they have glaring holes vs teams that can protect their QB and get after theirs. That doesn't bode well for the playoffs where every team does that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 So it looks like the conversation has shifted from how DET stacks up in the NFC-N to how they stack up in the entire NFC. Progress. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: So it looks like the conversation has shifted from how DET stacks up in the NFC-N to how they stack up in the entire NFC. Progress. Where has anyone not said that Detroit was far and away the best team in the North??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: So it looks like the conversation has shifted from how DET stacks up in the NFC-N to how they stack up in the entire NFC. Progress. Starting to scrape the bottom of the excuses barrel. Edited October 17, 2023 by incognito_man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 35 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: I don't care about small sample size DVOA. As my friend @Norm says, there's more to life than computers. Look at that secondary, Jerry Jacobs, Cam Sutton, Brian Branch, Kerby Joseph, Tracy Walker. That's not a group that will hold up if you can get their front blocked, which has been proven already this season. Same recipe against their offense, Jared Goff under pressure in 2022? 32nd in completion%, 28th in QBR, 22nd in EPA. The Lions are built perfectly for taking advantage of teams that are weak up front, but they have glaring holes vs teams that can protect their QB and get after theirs. That doesn't bode well for the playoffs where every team does that. "I don't care about small sample sizes" But "There was a single game that I'm basing my opinion off" Lolz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 minute ago, incognito_man said: "I don't care about small sample sizes" But "There was a single game that I'm basing my opinion off" Lolz I know their roster has holes, but the computer likes them! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 11 hours ago, incognito_man said: They're 13-3 over their last 16 And 14-9 once you factor in the games vs. top competition. DVOA is a useful metric for getting a general sense of how a team performs, but it doesn't account for some of those glaring holes (or injuries) that can get exposed once you run into stronger competition. For example, would you have considered the 2021 Cowboys or 2020 Saints the #1 team in the NFL? DVOA did. But then their offenses got exposed. Or the Bills, whose highly ranked defense DVOA got exposed once they ran into teams that forced them out of favorable situations created by their offense. Are the Lions a top 3 team in the NFC? Absolutely. But the Eagles and 49ers (when healthy) have the personnel and coaching to exploit those flaws in the secondary and with Goff. There's also Goff's home/road splits, which are some of the most extreme among starting QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 The lions are the 2nd best team in the league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Arthur Penske said: The lions are the 2nd best team in the league? Per DVOA as of this week, yes. #4 offense and #3 defense. 49ers are #1, Eagles are #7, Seahawks are #10, Rams are #11, Saints are #12, and Cowboys are #14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Packerraymond said: I know their roster has holes, but the computer likes them! The "computer" is simply a compilation of the on-field results. They best KC in KC, but you think they aren't in the same tier because of your eye test (or something). It's just laughable, really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 34 minutes ago, Arthur Penske said: The lions are the 2nd best team in the league? Time to accept it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, incognito_man said: The "computer" is simply a compilation of the on-field results. They best KC in KC, but you think they aren't in the same tier because of your eye test (or something). It's just laughable, really They were better in week 1, unfortunately for Detroit, they award the championship for the league in 20 weeks and I trust that Chiefs team a hell of a lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: They were better in week 1, unfortunately for Detroit, they award the championship for the league in 20 weeks and I trust that Chiefs team a hell of a lot more. It's because you want to and based on irrelevant historical data Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 minute ago, incognito_man said: It's because you want to and based on irrelevant historical data I'll come back here when they're bounced in the Divisional round and we can discuss their DVOA then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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