WR Allen Hurns To Sign With Dallas Cowboys

[JaguarCrazy2832]

22 hours ago, Broncofan said:

No word on the guaranteed money - if it's a lot, man, that's not a value deal.

 

 

Even if its fully guaranteed which i doubt it is, that's a good deal

[Broncofan]

19 minutes ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said:

Even if its fully guaranteed which i doubt it is, that's a good deal

The guarantees obviously will add more info - but it's just not a good value if he's being brought in to be their difference maker at WR2.   I get that Williams wasn't good - but the Cowboys don't need a marginal upgrade on WR2, they really needed a guy who could either stretch the field, win 50-50 balls, or be able to separate.  Hurns doesn't do any of that.   He's a product of volume (although he's tough and willing to go over the middle).   DAL's WR corps basically has guys who can't win in those areas.   They didn't need another one.

Now, if they are just willing to move on from Dez, then the $ saved by going from Dez to Hurns, you've got a hands-down argument on the value.  But if they keep Dez and then put Hurns in with Williams/Beasley/Switzer, in that run-based O that will use Zeke as the foundation?   It's not just the $, it's that they decided to make him their difference-maker - when he's not.

[JaguarCrazy2832]

1 hour ago, Broncofan said:

The guarantees obviously will add more info - but it's just not a good value if he's being brought in to be their difference maker at WR2.   I get that Williams wasn't good - but the Cowboys don't need a marginal upgrade on WR2, they really needed a guy who could either stretch the field, win 50-50 balls, or be able to separate.  Hurns doesn't do any of that.   He's a product of volume (although he's tough and willing to go over the middle).   DAL's WR corps basically has guys who can't win in those areas.   They didn't need another one.

Now, if they are just willing to move on from Dez, then the $ saved by going from Dez to Hurns, you've got a hands-down argument on the value.  But if they keep Dez and then put Hurns in with Williams/Beasley/Switzer, in that run-based O that will use Zeke as the foundation?   It's not just the $, it's that they decided to make him their difference-maker - when he's not.

6m a year isnt a difference maker but he is an upgrade. That’s all they want

[ACO]

That is it? Steal. He must REALLY wanted to play for the Cowboys. I saw his mother was on twitter making it no secret she was hoping it would happen. Prove it deal clearly.

[bzane]

https://www.floridafootballinsiders.com/jaguars/jaguars-receiver-overhaul-continues-with-release-of-allen-hurns/

Continuing, Jacksonville already made the decision last week to let Allen Robinson walk away in free agency to the Bears.

So, there is no dispute now, a complete overhaul has taken place at the spots that Robinson and Hurns mainly occupied over the last three-four seasons.

And for coach Doug Marrone, but more importantly, offensive coordinator Nate Hackett and receivers coach Keenan McCardell, this represents that the 2018 Jaguars offense will have a different corp of players to try to enhance Blake Bortles’ chances to succeed, especially with downfield throws.

It will definitely be different for fans of the Jaguars to not have “the two Allen’s” out there like the last few years, but it looks, at least on paper, like the Jaguars have some dangerous weapons that will make them cheer just as loudly.

 

There's that phrase that was popular on here back in the day, the two Allens, used with as much fondness and veneration as one might say "the two Michelangelo's Davids". 

And I heartily agree, it might be a valuable addition to a quarterback's success if he were good at "downfield throws"

[the lone star]

Hopefully the team still keeps Dez around.

[sp6488]

On 3/23/2018 at 1:37 PM, MWil23 said:

I wouldn't be surprised to see Dez released to be honest...or is that impossible? I'm not sure of the cap implications, but Dez is making a LOT of money to be a mediocre at best #1 receiver these days.

According to Spotrac (insert necessary qualifiers here), he has a cap hit of $16.5MM this season with 12.5MM of that being base salary.  Cutting him (not as a post-June) would give them an $8MM dead hit, thus freeing up $8.5MM through the move.

[Tugboat]

On 23/03/2018 at 12:47 PM, Broncofan said:

First, Ryan Grant's deal is meh (that BAL deal was ridiculous lol).   But Hurns isn't any better than Ryan Grant in his current form.     Take away the name value, and look at the production - all of his perceived value was from 2015, when Bortles & the Jags put up ridiculous #'s always being behind - 3400+ of their 4300 yds trailing & 29/35 TD's, 23 of the 35 TD's that year in the 2H.    2015 was incredible in its context.    Take away 2015, and look at his 2 years, 2016-7, and you see a guy who doesn't even get 500 yds receiving.    2015's #'s look shiny, but man, a deeper look just showed reasons for severe regression - and regress he did.

Now he's going to a DAL team that will be centered around an elite RB and a great OL, and there's at least 1 WR ahead of him.   And he's going to a roster with guys who literally profile the same way as he does.  Could he be better than them?  Sure, but he also barely stands out over them.   Add it up, and man, not seeing the value.

And that's before you get to the injuries - 3 concussions in his 4-year career, and 11 games missed the last 2 years, and most of them were lower-body injury related.

I really like the guy character-wise, and he'll get you tough catches over the middle.  But he's not even a 2nd WR on a good team anymore.   The injuries really have robbed him of any special traits.    Arguing that Grant's deal makes this a good value isn't the conclusion - they're in all likelihood bad deals.  What makes this worse for DAL is they are looking for a lid-lifter, or a guy who can win 50-50 balls, or separate inside - those are what the current DAL WR's lack with Dez's gradual skills decline.  Hurns doesn't really address any of those needs.   Which then adds to the lost value, since he's their big investment.  

I don't think Hurns has dropped off as much as you're suggesting here.  If you're looking at the stat sheet and expecting 2015 type numbers, then sure...you're going to be massively disappointed.  But that's not really "drop off", so much as that he was never actually as good as that season's yardage total might have otherwise suggested in the first place.  2015 was a total mirage.  Like you said, it was an anomalous year with the beneficiaries of some serious garbage time ball artificially flattering their stats.  He was never that good to drop off from though.

Outside of that though, he's still been more or less the same receiver...when healthy.  When he's playing, he'll still probably catch you 3-4 balls a game, for 40-50 yards.  Reasonably serviceable sort of #2ish capability.  Problem being, he's still got the same frustratingly inconsistent hands he's always had.  And he's had trouble staying on the field, which makes him tougher to rely on.

Hurns will get some separation with his route running, and he will go play over the middle (even if it's detrimental to his ability to stay on the field).  He made part of his reputation using leverage to win some 50/50 Bortle balls downfield too, even if he's not a real burner.  How much of a pure lid lifter do the Cowboys even need though, with the way they're obviously going to want to emphasize the running game and ball control offense in general?

 

On 24/03/2018 at 12:31 PM, JaguarCrazy2832 said:

6m a year isnt a difference maker but he is an upgrade. That’s all they want

This, also.  Looking at what other #2/3ish WRs have gone for this offseason...$6M doesn't get you a real difference maker.

You can argue a lot of these are "bad deals" or "poor value"...but at some point, the market bears what these guys are truly "worth" to teams.  And apparently it's a lot more than most fans expected.  Perhaps tied to the lack of obvious bluechip stud instant impact 1st round WRs in this draft, and influenced by a few teams seemingly intent on hording quality for their whizbang spread arrangements?