Official NFL Draft Thread (General Discussion for Draft)

[warfelg]

1 minute ago, Dcash4 said:

Dude - this is literally your quote: "Convince me Edmunds is a win now round 1 pick then.  You just keep telling me THOSE GUYS aren't and you haven't made the case that Edmunds is.". Those guys from what you quoted me -- were Jackson and Guice. Not too sure how in the world I made it about something different...

So to summarize -- you literally asked me to tell you why Edmunds was more of a WIN NOW pick than Jackson and Guice... And then discount everything else I wrote....because I answered your question. 

Cool. 

No because the start was a repeat of what you said about 10 times already. I said you told me why they aren’t win now players. Convince me Edmunds is. And you started with why they aren’t. 

[Big Snack]

1 minute ago, warfelg said:

And that’s fair enough, but like I’ve said I think the next window that could have been opened and maintained from Jackson is better than the small help we would get from Edmunds now. 

 

Trust me I’m for the team going win now mode....but this didn’t feel like that at all. It feels like a “I think he can help, we’ll see” move. 

OK i am not a fan of this pick either. I like the potential but he was over drafted period. Im not sure he makes it to our 2nd but the 1st was just too early. With that said about him helping us win now I will approach it this way. I think back to the playoff loss when we kept making it a 1 score game and the  jags had  no answer for our offense in the 2nd half. We would need a stop on 3rd and 7 and every time we see spence being 2 steps behind yeldon on a dump off to the sideline and keeping their drive alive and ultimately ending our season. I do feel that with edmunds in on that sub package the result would be different. I think long term I really want him to be what burnett has been for the packers and would very happy if he became that for us. In the short term I think he could become what deone buchannon is for the cards with not a lot of time spent playing deep but more of a sub package specialist and intermediate coverage guy. God knows our 3rd down defense was not the same once our best athletes career was ended. just my 2 pennies

[warfelg]

1 minute ago, Big Snack said:

OK i am not a fan of this pick either. I like the potential but he was over drafted period. Im not sure he makes it to our 2nd but the 1st was just too early. With that said about him helping us win now I will approach it this way. I think back to the playoff loss when we kept making it a 1 score game and the  jags had  no answer for our offense in the 2nd half. We would need a stop on 3rd and 7 and every time we see spence being 2 steps behind yeldon on a dump off to the sideline and keeping their drive alive and ultimately ending our season. I do feel that with edmunds in on that sub package the result would be different. I think long term I really want him to be what burnett has been for the packers and would very happy if he became that for us. In the short term I think he could become what deone buchannon is for the cards with not a lot of time spent playing deep but more of a sub package specialist and intermediate coverage guy. God knows our 3rd down defense was not the same once our best athletes career was ended. just my 2 pennies

My counter would be that their ability to run the ball on us and the play action lead to Spence reacting. Not to mention he sucks anyways. Maybe Edmunds makes a stop. Maybe he makes the same mistake. 

[Dcash4]

6 minutes ago, warfelg said:

No because the start was a repeat of what you said about 10 times already. I said you told me why they aren’t win now players. Convince me Edmunds is. And you started with why they aren’t. 

He CAN potentially fill the absolute, hands down, biggest hole on our roster -- a guy who can cover sideline to sideline in the middle of the field. Whether its him in that position, or Burnett comfortably there with Edmunds filling the back end role, that is something we did not currently have on the roster and its something that we may have now out of sub packages in an age where you live in sub packages. 

I have said it before, but a ILB that can move was our biggest need. There did not seem like a lot of guys that could plug and be an upgrade there, especially after Evans and LVE were gone (who I still had great questions about). Maybe they thought outside the box on how to fix that problem. They brought in Burnett who is terrific in that TYPE of role. Edmunds is a guy who can fit that mold as well, and be the future of the position in a larger scale. We love big Nickle. Its pretty simple to see the correlation between the guys on the roster, the amount of time spent in sub packages, the skill sets that the guys have at the safety position, and the biggest need defensively fitting into place. 

These are things that i think REGARDLESS OF PLAYER. I am not trying to convince anyone who doesn't like Edmunds that he, as a player, was the correct pick. But he does fit a mold that can immediately help this team be better in their largest area of weakness. You can argue the schematics of the specific player by name and pundits draft thoughts, but his position and the flexibility of who the three Safeties will be CAN put is in a better spot now post Shazier. This is what the team needed and I think this may be the outside of the box way of finding its solution. 

If you want to tell me you dont like the player, fine. But do not tell me that the thought process cannot be useful to win now and that the potential cannot be impact in the future. We live in sub packages. You can make the argument that this TYPE of player will be used far more than a backup OLB, a run stuffing NT, a 3rd WR, a vert stretching TE, a future QB, or a 3rd RB...and you can make the argument that it wont. But by my estimation, they believe they took the best player with the best possible fit to help us immediately with a high enough ceiling to justify the future. 

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Is that better for you?

[3rivers]

6 minutes ago, warfelg said:

My counter would be that their ability to run the ball on us and the play action lead to Spence reacting. Not to mention he sucks anyways. Maybe Edmunds makes a stop. Maybe he makes the same mistake. 

hopefully Edmunds doesn't have artie looking around to share the blame for lost coverages like he did when NKM and Davis were out there.  If the team adopts more Nickel, and Edmunds plays enough, he could get some INT's and make plays.  Typically we expect RD1 picks to play as a starter in existing scheme and make impact. This could be different, but if the D gets better and he is part of it, I am good with that.  The D needs a lot of help, and I would have taken a different route, but lets see how this goes. If he finishes with 6 ints and 4 FF, that is a start as long as there aren't too many coverages or tackles missed 

[JLambert58]

3 hours ago, Armsteeld2 said:

I read on my Twitter days ago that he was considered a first round pick.  I wish I could find it but it said don’t be shocked.

Yeah it was the LaCanfora tweet that @August4th posted last night

Here's another one:

 

[JLambert58]

1 hour ago, Armsteeld2 said:

IF Golson is healthy in Oakland, expect to hear about how great he is.

[JLambert58]

12 hours ago, JustPlainNasty said:

This is my concern. I feel like the Jags and Pats got better today and we are trying to catch up last years teams.  

I was a little concerned Cleveland was going to set the bar higher for the near future, but then they were Cleveland. Their picks wont be bad players but the players they couldve had so much higher ceiling potential. 

I was in the minority on this but I had Ward as an early 2nd round value. Hes good small cover corner. Mike Hughes and Jaire Alexander hold very similar value. #4 overall corners are Jalen Ramsey, Patrick Peterson, Derell Revis rare with size and athleticism. 

I"m not sure Cleveland maximized their return last night.    In fact, they may have set the franchise back years... again.  

The Pats are always going to find good players to plug in and continue the continuity of what they do.  Honestly at the this point, the Jags scare me as much as the Pats.  

[Armsteeld2]

9 minutes ago, JLambert58 said:

Yeah it was the LaCanfora tweet that @August4th posted last night

Here's another one:

 

Thanks!

[Armsteeld2]

4 minutes ago, JLambert58 said:

? Golson stayed injured and didn’t get a chance to show how good he can be.  Stay tuned.

[JLambert58]

1 minute ago, Armsteeld2 said:

? Golson stayed injured and didn’t get a chance to show how good he can be.  Stay tuned.

[VigilantZombie]

NE just aquired OT Trent Brown from SF

[3rivers]

12 hours ago, JustPlainNasty said:

This is my concern. I feel like the Jags and Pats got better today and we are trying to catch up last years teams.  

I was a little concerned Cleveland was going to set the bar higher for the near future, but then they were Cleveland. Their picks wont be bad players but the players they couldve had so much higher ceiling potential. 

I was in the minority on this but I had Ward as an early 2nd round value. Hes good small cover corner. Mike Hughes and Jaire Alexander hold very similar value. #4 overall corners are Jalen Ramsey, Patrick Peterson, Derell Revis rare with size and athleticism. 

this is the way  of putting it.  We aren't moving forward at the same pace as other teams.  To alleviate this, we need late round picks to play like RD1 picks

 I thought Cleveland would have got more picks in the future and still got these players. I would have got Barkley at #1 and then traded down that #4 pick and possibly still got Mayfield and a CB. I am rooting for the Browns to become a better team and possibly an old foe from the past. I don't like 2 guaranteed wins a year vs divisional "opponent" every year.

 

[SMashMouthMike]

Well,  coming to terms with Edmunds. Value is somewhat relative. We don't know this guy like the steelers do. This defense/secondary needs an enforcer, leader and a sergeant I guess after shazier's injury, Harrison and Mitchell's departure. He deserves a chance to pan out. Why we didn't drop a few spots? I can't answer that.

[Chieferific]

Maybe they are viewing him as a Kam Chancellor type. We can only hope.