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A 4th to 6th? Lol. Wow. Yeah, we'll have to agree to strongly disagree on that one. To each their own, but the scouting community won't see him as that late of a pick. He's going to have a consensus top 50 grades for teams, but he might be dropped down to top 75 due to an injury flag. Even then, he's coming off the board no later than mid-2nd round because his abilities are too good. As it stands, he probably goes within the top 10 picks in the 2nd round. Factoring in his injury history, I have him as a top of the 2nd guy, but it wouldn't surprise me if he jumps into the bottom of the first based on ability. I watched Trey Smith at both USC and Tennessee, I don't have him rated close to as high as you. Trey whiffs a lot, lacks lateral agility, and struggles to stay square. He's a 4th or 5th round guy imo, but I think he'll be a good player in a zone based scheme as such he'll be valued more highly for teams that utilize that system.

A couple points ... 1.) Its about Body of Work Not a Game or Handful of Plays -- Opinions on players can be volatile and swing positive and negative by a game by game, snap by snap basis. Evaluators see 1 quarter and it's like "man, where did this poor play come from am I wrong about this guy?" Then, the next quarter or game that same player will show dominance. But what happens is Over the course of many games and plays watched, the true evaluation of abilities and play traits equalize out to a core, representative evaluation. Our favorite players and best players in NFL have bad snaps, bad quarters, bad games, and/or bad stretches in a given season, but is that representative of their total play for the season after taking into account a full season of film? Within Muti, it's about the full body of work (albeit smaller in sample size due to injury) rather than a cross-section of his play. I've seen all the bad stretches of play of his, but those don't outweigh the consistent and representative high quality displayed ability and play. From the body of work, I've seen a high quality interior player who's best projected position is at Center, then Guard, then Left Tackle. 2.) ALL prospects have problems and at times look bad on film, and it's best to ask oneself how does this prospects strengths and weaknesses impact the quality of their play across a 10 or more sample size and against high quality vs quality opponents. 3.) On Injuries -- There's the play/ability evaluation and then there's the medical evaluation. As long as injury (i.e., a hobbled knee) doesn't show up on film consistently, the play evaluation and the medical evaluation are separate entities of a prospects scouting profile. I've stated many times that his extensive injury history will push him down the board a long way. How far? No one knows yet. I've said it likely pushes him to round 2 or the bottom of round 1. He's either going to pass the medicals or he is not. If he does pass Teams medical reviews, his quality of play, traits, and ability are still high quality if not elite most of the time. Now, it's important to factor in at what point in the draft is it worth it to select an extensive injury history high quality player that just happened to pass the current medicals. Unless he changed his mind... he still is declared to enter the draft.

Keep in mind a few have since decided to return to school, but for a list of some (not all) See below:

"just cut him.." hahahahahhahaa......

More context on Joe Woods.... Many reports out there Chris Harris, Aquib Talib, and other Broncos defenders publicly criticized Joe Woods as screwing up Wade Phillips and defense and calling bad plays especially in critical moments. Although Woods had a top 10 DVOA defense his first year, that was coming off the #1 and #2 DVOA Defensive Efficiency Defense the prior year(s). Ultimately, he was fired not just because a new HC was coming in, but also because players lost faith in his ability to put them in winning situations. Learning this info let's me know that we really need to still go after the real mccoy in Wade Phillips or someone else. Maybe George Edwards should be the guy over Woods and Wilks, but the Woods over Wilks decision isn't so clear.

Stefanski walks that fine between being Captain Corn-ball, Cliche guy and "he's all-right." Good news is he's authentically corny so as long aas he can help players win and they respect how he puts them in positions to succeed on the field and financially, they can respect him.

I'm a fan of picking players from the best position groups in the draft each year. The value always makes sense relative to other positions. Better players at a lower draft cost. Sign me up. There's so many special WRs.... and more just keep popping up.. it's madness.

Butthurt over the LSU cash give-away, watch wearing, white shoes wearing when they should be dark shoes, near cop butt smack are we? I wonder how you would've felt if you were instead a fan of the teams that Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, and Michael Irvin. Relax man. He's committed no crimes nor done anything truly terrible. He's a young rock star who's had women and even grown men worshiping him since he was 19 years old. Some humans struggle with maturity through those times, and he definitely has. Let him get healthy and let him ball out for the Browns for at least a season. Sit back and enjoy it. Everyone's highly motivated... It's going to be a good season.

Except for OLine, Harris is almost priority #1 for the team based on his likely contract projections relative his elite all-pro performance as measured by production analytics. He along with Jimmy Ward will be top Hybrid-Safety players (Ward more so of a box player) that can completely change the complexion of our defense and allow us to save the draft capital required to likely reach on on what amounts to be a non-productive Safety prospect. Jimmy Ward, Anthony Harris, Graham Glasgow, Case Keenum, and Joe Schobert are all signings that have the chance to provide winning synergies to the core of the roster without sending the team in to Salary Cap Crisis.

I'm all on-board with trying to upgrade the DC position over Steve Wilks, but I think a lot of people are being forgetful regarding the almost unprecedented amount of starters and defenders that were lost at various times throughout the season, as well as the prolonged duration they were unavailable. Not only were they out for extended periods of time, but they took turns being out throughout the entirety of the season. We finished the season with many games giving major snap count #'s to Porter Gustin, Bryan Cox Jr., Chad Thomas, Sheldrick Redwine, and 2 Rookie LBs (Sione Takitaki + Mack Wilson. No pass rush, LBs missing assignments, Sheldon Richardson and Joe Schobert carrying the defense while our rookie CB Greedy Williams struggled. It was a tough season, Wilks made many mistakes but the defense's issues went far beyond the play-calling.

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As much as we've all talked about Andrew Berry, I have serious doubts that he'll be our next GM selected over George Paton. I don't doubt that Andrew is the candidate that the Haslam's and DePo prefer, but I just don't see how Stefanski brings Paton, who turns down tons of interview requests unless he thinks he has a good shot at getting the job, into Berea then decides that he's not his guy. Paton's known Stefanski for 13 out of the 14 years Kevin was at the Vikings. Even if Kevin has great respect for Andrew and thinks he'll be great 13 years of familiarity, friendship, and working together is going to be impossible to beat. To align with DePo and the organization, it's probably best to hire Andrew as the GM, but the Haslam's have to relent in some regards to their new Head Coach. I think they'll do so by begrudgingly accepting Kevin's endorsement and preference for Paton over Berry. Paton will come in saying all the right things about alignment and DePo, but it won't ever be as seamless of an operation as with Berry and DePo. It's not going to be Andrew Berry, and I'm not quite sure if that's a positive because Paton is still an unknown despite some glowing reviews. You'd have to even think that Stefanski's going to be talking to Paton before and up until the interview. For organizational alignment and because the rational mostly always makes sense at the point of selection, I hope somehow Berry can make it through the process to becoming the Browns GM.

Nice format. You got wild with this one lol. Terrance Mitchell is too good to cut and actually has a reasonable contract. With Greedy and Ward oft-injured, he's a starter and the money he makes is nowhere close to that. Sadly, the 3rd best WR in the draft and most slept on prospect DeVvonta Smith decided to return to Bama. Bandy is the late round truth. Muse is the UDFA truth (will run 5.00 though) Throckmorton is a great mover but has negligible pop or power on the outside imo. Adams is butt cheeks in 2nd round; in the 3rd he's nah; in the 4th fine. Love Bachie but I don't see fast. Nice FA additions. All together would be insane offseason though

Case Keenum is exactly the QB2 that we need. Highly competitive, knows the offense well, can compete to win a game if he has to play, no one thinks he's a franchise QB, and has been a back-up QB in a mentorship role before. He'll be inexpensive as well. He's perfect for what the next season will require. Cut ties with Drew Stanton and Garrett Gilbert then bring in a young developmental guy in the event that Baker ain't it.

Kuechly ... well.... sh*t... When he cried publicly about not being able to come back quickly from concussions a few years ago, the derps came out to assault his character... .. the things he had to experience when he couldn't pass concussion protocol for an extended time likely stuck with him... .. glad he got out before the game took more from him and his quality of life going forward... ... insane blow the Panthers roster and was going to be a great culture guy to help Rhule get buy-in ... ... on a lighter note hopefully, the panthers ahead of us fall in love and see Isaiah Simmons as their do everything LB replacement and select him. That could be just what we need to push a Tackle or OLineman down to us...

--------------------- Taking into account all the things you laid out quite well are very important in assessment of evaluations and you're definitely right that in popular football conversations people don't factor those elements into their summary opinions on players or draft selections. All things in life are multiply determined with some things being more important factors at predicting the outcome over others. Success of a draft pick or roster building decision is the same way; that is, it's multiply determined with some factors being more important than others in determining the outcome. All the factors you laid out and others are variables and factors that determine the success of a draft pick or roster building decision. Austin Corbett being a miss at Left Tackle had nothing to do with injury, scheme, and/or minimally to do with the other factors you laid out, it was a clear mis-evaluation. Mis-evaluation is a factor and predictive element of "misses" along with the long list of factors you detailed. Clelin Ferrell being selected at 4th overall.... Ereck Flowers at 9th overall... those were just mis-evaluations. To me, an imperfect short-handed way to look at decision quality is at the point of selection did selecting that player relative to the other players on the board make sense given all the information available in the minds of expert scouts (not just fans). In that way, David Njoku, Deshone Kizer, and Jabrill Peppers made evaluative and decision sense. In the same way, Corbett's pick did not. Berry and co's decisions were rational but just like other GMs they did not based on the player attributes and skills --------------------- P.S. I don't know how long it takes yall to type your sh*t.... I type over 120 words per minute so my stream of consciousness long posts literally take 3 minutes or less... that's why I have so many grammatical and spelling errors because I don't proof read the posts unless I feel like I have the time to waste another 2 minutes editing the posts.... just do as I do and say F-that noise because people aren't reading a long post anyway... in fact no one has even made it to this last line of reading... if so, reply and I'll send you a free bridge or can of snake oil..

Joe Wood is a star defensive coordinator. He's not the known and elite long-standing coordinator like Wade Phillips for sure. But... If he doesn't get a senior advisor type on the Offensive side he may retain Wilks because of the previous head coaching experience.. He also has been a big reason why the 49ers Defense has performed well this year... he serves as the passing game coordinator there and has work habits that Kyle Shanahan respects...

" ... the marriage of the run and pass game is so important... and I come at it from the angle as a defensive player (back in college a long time ago)... I know what it feels like when the run looks like the pass and the pass looks like the run... and I just think there's beauty in that... and that's part of what we' put in a scheme that ultimately is hard to defend." -- Kevin Stefanski This offense will force Baker to work on his footwork and tighten it up. He also has to work on his tell that he gives by placing his footback a little further than usual when it's going to be a run play. To make the run look like the pass and the pass look like the run takes attention to minute details and quick and efficient footwork and eyes...

PG: Darius Garland AND CG: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander Would've been spectacular.

Probably right ...

Wow... Matt Rhule and Joe Brady ... David Tepper and the Panthers are doing some interesting things ... ... given longterm stability they might accomplish some interesting things.

I thought DePo's presser and last one's suggest that he's an Strategic Organizational Decision-making and Processes consultant/analyst. "... analytics is using frameworks to stack the odds in your favor for decisions that have uncertain outcomes..." He's just a Thought/Strategy Consultant for the Owners and Key Components of the Organization. Whether it's what plays are most effective, what situational decisions should be made, how to organize or figure out what's important for a coaching search, or how to identify a successful personnel scout for a football organization, DePodesta's role is to come up with approaches, ways of thinking, and analysis that facilitates decision-making. His role is part analyst, part lead executive, and senior level advisor. He has his hands on a wide-variety of parts within the organization. He's looks at all the processes within a football operation and making sure sure they align with vision and standards of the organization. The remaining questions are 1.) if DePodesta is qualified by our and "real football" guys assessments to be competent enough at coming up with approaches and "frameworks" that can help uplift a football team/organization's processes to sustained winning and 2.) Do we have the right shared vision in the first place ?

... or queue the conspiracies that DePo was setting him up to fail all along... ... the man behind the curtain.. the man controlling the strings from California... ... first control the Browns.... then ... the World....

Makes you wonder what they were saying everytime Freddie decided to receive instead of kick the ball...