11sanchez11 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 1 minute ago, CWood21 said: There's a BIG difference between a LeBron-less Lakers, and a LeBron-led Lakers team. But PG could've joined a Lebron-led Lakers team and he knows that. 2 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Boston isn't offering anything of value and it appears neither is Philadelphia. The package for Kawhi is going to be underwhelming. Which is exactly why BOS or PHILA could get him. They have way more assets than LAL does. So they can give up an underwhelming package and be fine w/ it. And if no one beats it, well you would expect SA to take the best offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, 11sanchez11 said: Which is exactly why BOS or PHILA could get him. They have way more assets than LAL does. So they can give up an underwhelming package and be fine w/ it. And if no one beats it, well you would expect SA to take the best offer. Except for the fact that Boston and Philadelphia have been hoarding assets for the last several years. Just because they have more assets doesn't make them more attractive. I mean, Boston has pretty much already said they don't plan on making any major moves, and have reportedly made both Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown off-limits in trade discussion. Their package of picks is nice, but it's not really anything that's going to motivate San Antonio to move Kawhi, and then there's that nasty catch that they have to match salaries, which would essentially force the Celtics to gut their roster unless San Antonio is willing to take back Gordon Hayward, which at this point seems like a non-starter. I've mentioned what Philadelphia's package is without Fultz included, and that's a "best case" offer from Philadelphia. I wouldn't be surprised if their offer was less than that. I think the notion that Boston or Philadelphia are suddenly going to change course and make a significantly better offer than the Lakers using their primary assets is unlikely to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 23 minutes ago, CWood21 said: significantly better offer than the Lakers using their primary assets is unlikely to happen. OK but you are saying the Lakers aren't going to put anything valuable in the deal so the 76ers could easily have the best offer, especially if they only get bad offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, 11sanchez11 said: OK but you are saying the Lakers aren't going to put anything valuable in the deal so the 76ers could easily have the best offer, especially if they only get bad offers. The problem is Philadelphia doesn't know what the Lakers are offering, and they're not going to offer anything that might jeopardize the future of their franchise. They're not going to give up assets that they don't feel they can easily replace. Which is why I think that "best case" offer of Saric, Covington, and picks isn't going to happen. My guess is you might be able to get one of Saric and Zhaire Smith, and you'll get two PHI FRPs (not included the Heat pick) at best from Philadelphia long with Covington. That's not a very good package. Right now, we've heard that the Spurs covet Brandon Ingram, but the Lakers aren't willing to include him. We recently heard that the Lakers have made Kuzma off-limits, while possible seems like it wouldn't be a deal breaker. But what's the Lakers' package outside of their 3 (Lonzo, Ingram, and Kuzma)? Their best package would be Josh Hart, Mo Wagner (once the 30 days is up), Ivica Zubac, and multiple FRP(s). Again, not a very good package. Sixers don't want to bid against themselves, and they don't want to gamble their future away. Just because Paul George opted to spurn the Lakers to stay with the Thunder doesn't mean Kawhi will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, CWood21 said: The problem is Philadelphia doesn't know what the Lakers are offering, and they're not going to offer anything that might jeopardize the future of their franchise. This has been the whole point. They wouldn't have to if LA doesn't put up anything. They would have no problem making a bad offer. And if the Spurs only get bad offers it would be reasonable that the 76ers get him over LA. The Lakers aren't the only team capable of making a bad offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 1 minute ago, 11sanchez11 said: This has been the whole point. They wouldn't have to if LA doesn't put up anything. They would have no problem making a bad offer. And if the Spurs only get bad offers it would be reasonable that the 76ers get him over LA. That's my point. What's stopping the Spurs from approaching the Sixers, and saying if you give us that Saric, Covington, Zhaire Smith, and 2 FRPs package, we'd do that deal. IF the Lakers aren't offering anything involving Ball, Kuzma, or Ingram, that'd be overkill. The Sixers aren't going to outbid themselves, and they're certainly not going to mortgage their future to do so. At this point, nobody has offered anything to motivate the Spurs to make a move. Why would that change now? It won't. Philadelphia won't offer anything that it considers part of it's future as long as the very real threat of Kawhi walking to the Lakers next summer. This isn't the OKC situation all over again. That was a perfect storm that happened to work out well for the Thunder. It's anything but a safe assumption that Kawhi would stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 1 minute ago, CWood21 said: At this point, nobody has offered anything to motivate the Spurs to make a move. Why would that change now? It won't. Yes. That is the point. Jesus. If nobody makes a good offer the Spurs will have to take a bad offer. Bruh the Lakers aren't the only team capable of making a bad offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 The Celtics' and 76ers' bad offers could blow the Lakers' bad offer out of the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: The Celtics' and 76ers' bad offers could blow the Lakers' bad offer out of the water. No point in the Celtics messing with the core with how big of a joke the east is tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, champ11 said: No point in the Celtics messing with the core with how big of a joke the east is tbh. The NBA's just announced that to "re-balance" the league - they're moving OKC into the East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 22 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: The Celtics' and 76ers' bad offers could blow the Lakers' bad offer out of the water. Boston has to match salaries in order to acquire Kawhi. Assuming that taking on Gordon Hayward is a non-starter for the Spurs, they can't match salaries without including at least one of Jaylen Brown/Jayson Tatum or Gordon Hayward. They're still about $1M short of what they'd have to give up in order to land Kawhi. So when the C's aren't giving up Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum, and the Spurs refuse to take on Gordon Hayward, the Celtics can't actually acquire Kawhi. The Sixers have the cap space that they could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungJefe Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 7 hours ago, CWood21 said: Damn near perfect fit with their core. Not saying I necessarily agree, but Kuzma is arguably their best shooting big man. I think it has more to do with how much the Lakers view the likelihood of Leonard joining next year. Why give up anything of value? At this point, not sure the Lakers are offering more than a Randle (S&T) and pick(s). LeBron will be 34 this year and with your current roster you're at best the third team in the West and will likely lose to a healthy GS or HOU team in the playoffs. Is it worth wasting a year of a very short title window? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, YoungJefe said: LeBron will be 34 this year and with your current roster you're at best the third team in the West and will likely lose to a healthy GS or HOU team in the playoffs. Is it worth wasting a year of a very short title window? Does adding Kawhi for Ingram+ really make them anymore likely to win a ring this year? Maybe marginally. If you're the Lakers and you realistically believe you're getting Kawhi next offseason, you can keep your young players and still add Kawhi you do it. And that's also about adding more flexibility. Let's say they're able to salary dump Luol Deng next offseason, and they can sign Kawhi. They can roll forward with their Lonzo, Ingram, LeBron, and Kawhi group or they can flip some combination of Lonzo, Ingram, and Kuzma for that 3rd star. If the Lakers call up Portland and offer Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, and Kyle Kuzma for Damian Lillard, they'd have a hard time passing up that much youth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 6 hours ago, seminoles1 said: The Celtics' and 76ers' bad offers could blow the Lakers' bad offer out of the water. What would be a "bad" 76ers or Celtics offer? What would be a "bad" Lakers offer? Just want to see what players you have in mind on each side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 29 minutes ago, bkobow05 said: What would be a "bad" 76ers or Celtics offer? What would be a "bad" Lakers offer? Just want to see what players you have in mind on each side. Celtics' offer would be based around the Grizzlies and Clippers' 1st Round Picks. 76ers would be Smith, Korkmaz, any other young player or stash, and the 2021 Miami pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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