Justone2 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 46 minutes ago, ny92mike said: Working on fa bidding particularly the Top 51 salary cap and what percentage we'll allow a team to go over the cap. Using this chart, what percentage are you guys comfortable using? Team 2019 Est. Available Cap 104% 108% 112% 116% 120% 124% ARI $64,014,529 $66,575,110 $69,135,691 $71,696,272 $74,256,854 $76,817,435 $79,378,016 ATL $23,716,812 $24,665,484 $25,614,157 $26,562,829 $27,511,502 $28,460,174 $29,408,847 BAL $31,755,292 $33,025,504 $34,295,715 $35,565,927 $36,836,139 $38,106,350 $39,376,562 BUF $87,281,670 $90,772,937 $94,264,204 $97,755,470 $101,246,737 $104,738,004 $108,229,271 CAR $25,459,965 $26,478,364 $27,496,762 $28,515,161 $29,533,559 $30,551,958 $31,570,357 CHI $19,742,452 $20,532,150 $21,321,848 $22,111,546 $22,901,244 $23,690,942 $24,480,640 CIN $52,019,991 $54,100,791 $56,181,590 $58,262,390 $60,343,190 $62,423,989 $64,504,789 CLE $84,237,741 $87,607,251 $90,976,760 $94,346,270 $97,715,780 $101,085,289 $104,454,799 DAL $54,686,337 $56,873,790 $59,061,244 $61,248,697 $63,436,151 $65,623,604 $67,811,058 DEN $45,592,666 $47,416,373 $49,240,079 $51,063,786 $52,887,493 $54,711,199 $56,534,906 DET $36,316,167 $37,768,814 $39,221,460 $40,674,107 $42,126,754 $43,579,400 $45,032,047 GB $41,812,731 $43,485,240 $45,157,749 $46,830,259 $48,502,768 $50,175,277 $51,847,786 HOU $67,097,417 $69,781,314 $72,465,210 $75,149,107 $77,833,004 $80,516,900 $83,200,797 IND $116,836,980 $121,510,459 $126,183,938 $130,857,418 $135,530,897 $140,204,376 $144,877,855 JAC -$3,365,153 -$3,230,547 -$3,095,941 -$2,961,335 -$2,826,729 -$2,692,122 -$2,557,516 KC $37,148,439 $38,634,377 $40,120,314 $41,606,252 $43,092,189 $44,578,127 $46,064,064 LA $36,483,828 $37,943,181 $39,402,534 $40,861,887 $42,321,240 $43,780,594 $45,239,947 LAC $25,915,567 $26,952,190 $27,988,812 $29,025,435 $30,062,058 $31,098,680 $32,135,303 MIA $17,762,817 $18,473,330 $19,183,842 $19,894,355 $20,604,868 $21,315,380 $22,025,893 MIN $10,985,401 $11,424,817 $11,864,233 $12,303,649 $12,743,065 $13,182,481 $13,621,897 NE $22,971,924 $23,890,801 $24,809,678 $25,728,555 $26,647,432 $27,566,309 $28,485,186 NO $17,152,015 $17,838,096 $18,524,176 $19,210,257 $19,896,337 $20,582,418 $21,268,499 NYG $31,662,094 $32,928,578 $34,195,062 $35,461,545 $36,728,029 $37,994,513 $39,260,997 NYJ $99,387,909 $103,363,425 $107,338,942 $111,314,458 $115,289,974 $119,265,491 $123,241,007 OAK $76,679,069 $79,746,232 $82,813,395 $85,880,557 $88,947,720 $92,014,883 $95,082,046 PHI -$12,170,726 -$11,683,897 -$11,197,068 -$10,710,239 -$10,223,410 -$9,736,581 -$9,249,752 PIT $27,720,468 $28,829,287 $29,938,105 $31,046,924 $32,155,743 $33,264,562 $34,373,380 SEA $60,455,232 $62,873,441 $65,291,651 $67,709,860 $70,128,069 $72,546,278 $74,964,488 SF $62,029,329 $64,510,502 $66,991,675 $69,472,848 $71,954,022 $74,435,195 $76,916,368 TB $16,603,360 $17,267,494 $17,931,629 $18,595,763 $19,259,898 $19,924,032 $20,588,166 TEN $43,497,313 $45,237,206 $46,977,098 $48,716,991 $50,456,883 $52,196,776 $53,936,668 WAS $21,560,242 $22,422,652 $23,285,061 $24,147,471 $25,009,881 $25,872,290 $26,734,700 I think making it team specific is a bit counterintuitive for the purpose of giving teams a little more flexibility. For the big teams that extra budget really don't adds much where for teams like the Vikings with the 124% option gives them only three mil extra to shuffle with where for Indy that would be way too much with 28 mil. I think a set amount off of the cap itself would be better in my eyes and gives those bottom teams just that little bit of flexability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny92mike Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Justone2 said: I think making it team specific is a bit counterintuitive for the purpose of giving teams a little more flexibility. For the big teams that extra budget really don't adds much where for teams like the Vikings with the 124% option gives them only three mil extra to shuffle with where for Indy that would be way too much with 28 mil. I think a set amount off of the cap itself would be better in my eyes and gives those bottom teams just that little bit of flexability. I get that, so how much do you think is fair for a team to go over the cap? 2m 20m something in between? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justone2 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, ny92mike said: I get that, so how much do you think is fair for a team to go over the cap? 2m 20m something in between? For me i would say somewhere between 5 and 8. 20 is way too much looking at how many guys you would have to cut to get that amount of saving but for 5 to 8 that is like 1 or 2 guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny92mike Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, Justone2 said: For me i would say somewhere between 5 and 8. 20 is way too much looking at how many guys you would have to cut to get that amount of saving but for 5 to 8 that is like 1 or 2 guys. 1 hour ago, IrishHooligan00 said: I would think 108 or 112% would be suffice, Only gives teams aprox 1-2 million more over the cap which can be reached by cutting 1 or 2 players if needed. You guys good with a fixed 4 million for 2019 and zero for the 2020 year. I say zero for the 2020 year because we're using the average Base Salary of the contract rather than the actually contract figure so getting under that number by releasing players would be much more difficult to get above the red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justone2 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, ny92mike said: You guys good with a fixed 4 million for 2019 and zero for the 2020 year. I say zero for the 2020 year because we're using the average Base Salary of the contract rather than the actually contract figure so getting under that number by releasing players would be much more difficult to get above the red. I don't know how the salary cap looks for teams for 2020 so i can't really comend about that but yeah 4 mil would be good too. I think having a little extra is good for those teams with little to no space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny92mike Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 Right, @Justone2 but with restructures and extensions getting under the cap has never really been an issue. But, I do think teams should have a little wiggle room in FA and 4 million sounds like a solid number. This might also provide an extra element of game planning, and ultimately add more players to FA as teams push to get more money for FA. I'm excited to see how this new rule with teams needing to include all of their bids into the available cap, when bidding on players as well as the added rules of the signing bonus needing to be greater than or equal to the player's preferred contract terms, max contract length not to exceed 5 years, and the addition of the Substitute bid will impact the amount a team offers over the preferred contract terms. In the past, the average overspending was about 20%. Some of these rules will obviously hurt some teams with less cap, but the system still doesn't prevent them from bidding a fair amount but they may just need to bid on cheaper players with their other allotted bids, to me this is more realistic. I'd like to get your thoughts on if we should include the same salary cap rules for reserve bidding. My thoughts are because the bids only come into play based on the trigger system, that we shouldn't include the reserve bids into the official salary cap, only adding them to the cap as they are signed just like before. However, this creates a little problem with team's calculating their own salary cap. I'm thinking if we included a check box that would include the reserve bids into the available cap if checked this would provide you guys with an accurate cap number if you were to sign all your pending contracts, but if unchecked it would exclude the reserve bids for FA purposes. If we used the check box, it is something that you'd need to remember to uncheck during FA bidding. I can insert flags, somewhere with the FA bidding sheet making it bright enough to be easily seen. So that you'd now if it was checked or not. What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justone2 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, ny92mike said: Right, @Justone2 but with restructures and extensions getting under the cap has never really been an issue. But, I do think teams should have a little wiggle room in FA and 4 million sounds like a solid number. This might also provide an extra element of game planning, and ultimately add more players to FA as teams push to get more money for FA. I'm excited to see how this new rule with teams needing to include all of their bids into the available cap, when bidding on players as well as the added rules of the signing bonus needing to be greater than or equal to the player's preferred contract terms, max contract length not to exceed 5 years, and the addition of the Substitute bid will impact the amount a team offers over the preferred contract terms. In the past, the average overspending was about 20%. Some of these rules will obviously hurt some teams with less cap, but the system still doesn't prevent them from bidding a fair amount but they may just need to bid on cheaper players with their other allotted bids, to me this is more realistic. I'd like to get your thoughts on if we should include the same salary cap rules for reserve bidding. My thoughts are because the bids only come into play based on the trigger system, that we shouldn't include the reserve bids into the official salary cap, only adding them to the cap as they are signed just like before. However, this creates a little problem with team's calculating their own salary cap. I'm thinking if we included a check box that would include the reserve bids into the available cap if checked this would provide you guys with an accurate cap number if you were to sign all your pending contracts, but if unchecked it would exclude the reserve bids for FA purposes. If we used the check box, it is something that you'd need to remember to uncheck during FA bidding. I can insert flags, somewhere with the FA bidding sheet making it bright enough to be easily seen. So that you'd now if it was checked or not. What do you guys think? I think it should look at the reserve contract only if that offer is higher than the original offer(not something that will happen a ton i would think). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny92mike Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 43 minutes ago, Justone2 said: I don't know how the salary cap looks for teams for 2020 so i can't really comend about that but yeah 4 mil would be good too. I think having a little extra is good for those teams with little to no space. These are estimated numbers because they do not include all dead money or carryover income from 2018 / 2019 But the 2020 top 51 shouldn't be high enough that we shouldn't need to provide any wiggle room. Jacksonville with a little less than 19m and a few other teams under 50m would likely need to release either by june 1st or outright cut some costly players to free up some 2020 funding. Team Est. 2019 Cap Est. 2020 Cap ARI $62,086,627 $106,200,416 ATL $22,899,607 $51,646,543 BAL $27,280,435 $99,337,744 BUF $80,577,772 $142,343,265 CAR $22,238,603 $56,193,714 CHI $15,346,864 $51,203,533 CIN $44,602,126 $92,370,795 CLE $31,545,805 $59,377,550 DAL $44,214,361 $127,235,280 DEN $44,059,370 $115,228,614 DET $29,003,662 $85,897,422 GB $33,324,441 $74,899,737 HOU $47,408,368 $113,863,284 IND $73,917,248 $126,119,762 JAC -$16,280,686 $18,730,927 KC $37,282,481 $65,206,581 LA $35,368,592 $93,479,338 LAC $25,008,691 $110,904,079 MIA $24,639,241 $97,238,100 MIN $6,386,175 $37,274,266 NE $19,113,096 $114,659,875 NO $17,689,076 $106,554,215 NYG $34,028,498 $83,653,918 NYJ $86,923,723 $122,148,438 OAK $77,044,035 $125,723,682 PHI -$17,146,567 $48,989,951 PIT $8,591,373 $94,058,666 SEA $57,766,381 $110,132,364 SF $25,838,109 $68,749,601 TB $11,123,249 $75,675,587 TEN $12,408,794 $85,152,463 WAS $13,881,547 $60,228,834 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justone2 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Just now, ny92mike said: These are estimated numbers because they do not include all dead money or carryover income from 2018 / 2019 But the 2020 top 51 shouldn't be high enough that we shouldn't need to provide any wiggle room. Jacksonville with a little less than 19m and a few other teams under 50m would likely need to release either by june 1st or outright cut some costly players to free up some 2020 funding. Team Est. 2019 Cap Est. 2020 Cap ARI $62,086,627 $106,200,416 ATL $22,899,607 $51,646,543 BAL $27,280,435 $99,337,744 BUF $80,577,772 $142,343,265 CAR $22,238,603 $56,193,714 CHI $15,346,864 $51,203,533 CIN $44,602,126 $92,370,795 CLE $31,545,805 $59,377,550 DAL $44,214,361 $127,235,280 DEN $44,059,370 $115,228,614 DET $29,003,662 $85,897,422 GB $33,324,441 $74,899,737 HOU $47,408,368 $113,863,284 IND $73,917,248 $126,119,762 JAC -$16,280,686 $18,730,927 KC $37,282,481 $65,206,581 LA $35,368,592 $93,479,338 LAC $25,008,691 $110,904,079 MIA $24,639,241 $97,238,100 MIN $6,386,175 $37,274,266 NE $19,113,096 $114,659,875 NO $17,689,076 $106,554,215 NYG $34,028,498 $83,653,918 NYJ $86,923,723 $122,148,438 OAK $77,044,035 $125,723,682 PHI -$17,146,567 $48,989,951 PIT $8,591,373 $94,058,666 SEA $57,766,381 $110,132,364 SF $25,838,109 $68,749,601 TB $11,123,249 $75,675,587 TEN $12,408,794 $85,152,463 WAS $13,881,547 $60,228,834 Yeah no problems there basically. Jaguar need to make room for this year no matter what so they will almost automatically create extra room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny92mike Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Justone2 said: I think it should look at the reserve contract only if that offer is higher than the original offer(not something that will happen a ton i would think). The formulas for calculating real time cap numbers is kinda a bear to work into the system, and while I do agree that if the resign bid is less than the reserve bid it should calculate the greater amount, but let me see how difficult that will be to formulate that doesn't include me leaping from a building...haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justone2 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, ny92mike said: The formulas for calculating real time cap numbers is kinda a bear to work into the system, and while I do agree that if the resign bid is less than the reserve bid it should calculate the greater amount, but let me see how difficult that will be to formulate that doesn't include me leaping from a building...haha. That last part is no doubt the most important thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainpd Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 hours ago, ny92mike said: I get that, so how much do you think is fair for a team to go over the cap? 2m 20m something in between? I still vote zero. Don’t see why people can bid on people which would put them over the cap. Just my 2p worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 @ny92mike Just curious, what is Nick Foles’s status on the Eagles’ roster? I am guessing since you have the Eagles as $17 mill over....that he is counting towards their cap. he is technically a free agent. However the Eagles can pick up his $20 mill option but Foles can opt out of that option by paying the Eagles back 2 million- then he is an FA again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny92mike Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 23 minutes ago, EaglesPeteC said: @ny92mike Just curious, what is Nick Foles’s status on the Eagles’ roster? I am guessing since you have the Eagles as $17 mill over....that he is counting towards their cap. he is technically a free agent. However the Eagles can pick up his $20 mill option but Foles can opt out of that option by paying the Eagles back 2 million- then he is an FA again Because of all the confusion last year with Drew Brees' contract, I'm leaving all the option/void contracts on the team rosters, and then you guys will have the option to release them. In this case, you can remove him saving like 18.8 million with 1.8 in dead money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, ny92mike said: Because of all the confusion last year with Drew Brees' contract, I'm leaving all the option/void contracts on the team rosters, and then you guys will have the option to release them. In this case, you can remove him saving like 18.8 million with 1.8 in dead money. That’s fine. Just figured I’d ask ahead of time because it is funky situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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