theuntouchable Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 31 minutes ago, Shanedorf said: Splitting hairs here: I came up with 13.1 INTs and 6.3 fumbles per season ( I did not include the 4 INTs he threw on Monday) via Pro Football Reference. Either way its way worse than Smith and we all know how important turnovers are in deciding NFL games They rank right next to each other on the INT list for active QBs, the difference being that Stafford threw 26 more in 4 fewer seasons https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_active.htm Game killing Pick Sixes ? Stafford leads Smith 19-7, in 4 fewer seasons, He's currently tied with Jay freaking Cutler. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pick_six_active.htm I think you can make a solid case for solid Smith, others prefer the more mercurial Stafford. When we talked about Smith in the offseason, a couple of Packers fans suggested that Smith- to- the- vikings was a greater threat to GB than Cousins- to- the- vikings and I agreed. Smith takes care of the football, I doubt he has any 4 INT games, while Stafford just added another one to his career total. I watched Favre throw away game after game with boneheaded plays, I see the same fatal flaw in Stafford despite his obvious talent. Stafford is no doubt more reckless with the football but I wouldn’t trade him for Alex Smith. It would take more than QB adjustments and the “threat of a run by Alex Smith” to get a decent run game in Detroit and I highly doubt smith would pull off what Stafford has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, theuntouchable said: I highly doubt smith would pull off what Stafford has. OK But what exactly has Stafford pulled off ? What are his crowing achievements outside of Fantasy Football ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobikus Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Stafford having to be the focal point of his offense and getting a team like last year's Lions to a winning record is more impressive than anything Smith has done imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 I agree with @Shanedorf that this is closer than people are making it out to be. I'd actually put the two of them in the same tier (if grouping in 4 tiers, they'd both be in tier 2 for me), but I'd have Stafford slightly higher within the tier, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 25 minutes ago, Bobikus said: Stafford having to be the focal point of his offense and getting a team like last year's Lions to a winning record is more impressive than anything Smith has done imo. You realize that the Chiefs had the 30th ranked defense by DVOA, and the 32nd ranked defense by weighted DVOA last year, right? And Smith had the best season of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theuntouchable Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 42 minutes ago, Shanedorf said: OK But what exactly has Stafford pulled off ? What are his crowing achievements outside of Fantasy Football ? Bringing the lions to the playoffs on more than one occasion, Smith wouldn’t have done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobikus Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, HTTRG3Dynasty said: You realize that the Chiefs had the 30th ranked defense by DVOA, and the 32nd ranked defense by weighted DVOA last year, right? And Smith had the best season of his career. And also the 5th ranked rushing offense by DVOA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, Bobikus said: And also the 5th ranked rushing offense by DVOA. Yes, and Smith had a lot to do with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Bobikus said: Stafford having to be the focal point of his offense and getting a team like last year's Lions to a winning record is more impressive than anything Smith has done imo. https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/08/kansas-city-chiefs-new-england-patriots-season-opener-alex-smith-kareem-hunt-andy-reid-tom-brady-bill-belichick Alex Smith Made the Patriots Look Like Clowns "On the night when the Patriots raised their fifth championship banner, New England fans seemed more concerned about the red nose on the Roger Goodell clown towels than the red helmets coming out of the visitors' locker room. But Alex Smith had one of his best nights, completing 28 of 35 passes for 368 yards and four touchdowns, and rookie running back Kareem Hunt set an NFL record for most scrimmage yards in a debut (246). In a stunning upset, the Kansas City Chiefs posted the most points (42) and yards (537) ever against a Bill Belichick-coached team in New England. With a passer rating of 148.6, his performance on the Patriots’ home turf was downright Brady-esque. " That's pretty impressive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Stafford has never been on a great team. Id love to see Stafford on a team with a top 10 defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I think they're at a very similar level, but it's a tough comparison to make due to the substantial differences in style, support, and what has been asked of them. Smith is the more successful QB from a team perspective because he has been supported better in terms of coaching and defense. Stafford owns bulk stats because he has simply needed to throw substantially more. Their efficiency numbers are actually pretty similar (very similar QB rating, very similar completion %) and the ones with a slightly bigger gap are pretty easily explained by circumstance (Smith's lower turnover rate comes from less risky or desperate situations, Stafford's higher TD rate and YPA comes from him having better deep targets and more reason to throw aggressively.) Overall I think it puts them in a similar place from like a ranking and quality perspective, just with vastly different circumstance and style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theuntouchable Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Jakuvious said: I think they're at a very similar level, but it's a tough comparison to make due to the substantial differences in style, support, and what has been asked of them. Smith is the more successful QB from a team perspective because he has been supported better in terms of coaching and defense. Stafford owns bulk stats because he has simply needed to throw substantially more. Their efficiency numbers are actually pretty similar (very similar QB rating, very similar completion %) and the ones with a slightly bigger gap are pretty easily explained by circumstance (Smith's lower turnover rate comes from less risky or desperate situations, Stafford's higher TD rate and YPA comes from him having better deep targets and more reason to throw aggressively.) Overall I think it puts them in a similar place from like a ranking and quality perspective, just with vastly different circumstance and style. Very well said and I can’t disagree with any portion of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 34 minutes ago, Jakuvious said: I think they're at a very similar level, but it's a tough comparison to make due to the substantial differences in style, support, and what has been asked of them. Smith is the more successful QB from a team perspective because he has been supported better in terms of coaching and defense. Stafford owns bulk stats because he has simply needed to throw substantially more. Their efficiency numbers are actually pretty similar (very similar QB rating, very similar completion %) and the ones with a slightly bigger gap are pretty easily explained by circumstance (Smith's lower turnover rate comes from less risky or desperate situations, Stafford's higher TD rate and YPA comes from him having better deep targets and more reason to throw aggressively.) Overall I think it puts them in a similar place from like a ranking and quality perspective, just with vastly different circumstance and style. As usual, very well thought out and strong post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobikus Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 12 hours ago, HTTRG3Dynasty said: Yes, and Smith had a lot to do with that. Only in the sense that a run game is going to have issues if the QB isn't competent and Smith is at least that. There's not some special property Stafford lacks that Smith has that makes run games as vastly better as the Chiefs has been compared to the Lions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinSting Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Kinda have a soft spot for Smith as he went through constant chaos to begin his career yet always kept moving forward. With so many different offensive coordinators and coaches, plus the massive pressure of being the top overall draft pick in '05. I'll never forget that ballzy run by Smith to beat the Saints in the playoffs in Jim Harbaugh's first year at the helm. Didn't see that play coming. Both these QB's are gettin' PAID, gigantic salaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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