jrry32 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Forge said: Floor probably second round. We have seen that this stuff has some impact, obviously, but not as bad as people think. Jaylon Smith went from top 10 pick to top of the second round. Sydney Jones was a first round pick went in the second. I would suspect that he still goes in the first 45 picks. I'm taking him at #31 if I'm the Rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 12 hours ago, jrry32 said: I'm taking him at #31 if I'm the Rams. Not if we take him at #30! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 On 2/12/2019 at 11:50 AM, Forge said: Floor probably second round. We have seen that this stuff has some impact, obviously, but not as bad as people think. Jaylon Smith went from top 10 pick to top of the second round. Sydney Jones was a first round pick went in the second. I would suspect that he still goes in the first 45 picks. Disagree. This doesn't just have the injury concern component. There's also the DV aspect that is going to have teams take him off their board. He's a late Day 2 pick at best IMO now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Disagree. This doesn't just have the injury concern component. There's also the DV aspect that is going to have teams take him off their board. He's a late Day 2 pick at best IMO now. I'm going under the assumption that teams have already taken that into account and he was still going to be a top 15 pick. If that is the case, I think the injury likely just pushes him to the second round. That's a big assumption, of course, but I have no data to to input on how teams were addressing the DV in his situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 On 2/11/2019 at 4:25 PM, Counselor said: You need to break up all those ties man Not trying to single you out, but when will fans realize that rankings aren't supposed to be in a numerical order. Players are graded out in tiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Forge said: I'm going under the assumption that teams have already taken that into account and he was still going to be a top 15 pick. If that is the case, I think the injury likely just pushes him to the second round. That's a big assumption, of course, but I have no data to to input on how teams were addressing the DV in his situation. Legitimately asking, what's the highest that a player has been drafted with notable DV issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Not trying to single you out, but when will fans realize that rankings aren't supposed to be in a numerical order. Players are graded out in tiers. It’s called a ranking system. Gun to the head who are you taking in what order. I understand tiers and I know more than you think I do apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Legitimately asking, what's the highest that a player has been drafted with notable DV issues? Valid question, hadn't really thought of it because like I said, was already building the DV issue into the fact that he was considered a top 15 pick. Now I'm scouring my brain to try and think of guys who had issues specific to DV. The thing is, I feel like DV specific ones are kind of a small sample size, particularly higher profile ones. Obviously, teams have had no issues with taking high risk guys in the first round, but that's not always DV specific. Percy Harvin attacked a coach physically. Randy Moss had his fight. Jameis had the rape allegation. The highest DV specific case may actually be Mixon? I'm not sure. Definitely an interesting question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Just now, Counselor said: It’s called a ranking system. Gun to the head who are you taking in what order. I understand tiers and I know more than you think I do apparently. You're talking about splitting hairs at that point. And most likely comes down to systems or personal preferences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Tillery is about to blow up too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Question, Ed Oliver was projected by many as a potential #1 overall pick type of talent/prospect before the season. Why is he falling down draft boards now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 On 2/13/2019 at 11:58 AM, CWood21 said: Legitimately asking, what's the highest that a player has been drafted with notable DV issues? On 2/13/2019 at 12:11 PM, Forge said: Valid question, hadn't really thought of it because like I said, was already building the DV issue into the fact that he was considered a top 15 pick. Now I'm scouring my brain to try and think of guys who had issues specific to DV. The thing is, I feel like DV specific ones are kind of a small sample size, particularly higher profile ones. Obviously, teams have had no issues with taking high risk guys in the first round, but that's not always DV specific. Percy Harvin attacked a coach physically. Randy Moss had his fight. Jameis had the rape allegation. The highest DV specific case may actually be Mixon? I'm not sure. Definitely an interesting question. One issue with all of this: What Simmons did wasn't domestic violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 Just now, jrry32 said: One issue with all of this: What Simmons did wasn't a domestic violence. I'm generally attaching the act of violence against women under the same heading. I did the same thing for the Hunt issue. Technically what Mixon did wasn't DV either. I just think that they are treated the same under the NFL since it all stemmed against from the treatment of women and actually just falls under "personal conduct". Zeke was suspended under the "personal conduct policy", I'm pretty sure, not under some sort of special DV heading. I could be wrong, of course, but that's the way I've been looking at it for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnies20 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 5 hours ago, Forge said: I'm generally attaching the act of violence against women under the same heading. I did the same thing for the Hunt issue. Technically what Mixon did wasn't DV either. I just think that they are treated the same under the NFL since it all stemmed against from the treatment of women and actually just falls under "personal conduct". Zeke was suspended under the "personal conduct policy", I'm pretty sure, not under some sort of special DV heading. I could be wrong, of course, but that's the way I've been looking at it for a while now. There’s a big difference, IMO. It takes a more pervasive anger issue to assault someone that you’re close to. That person is at a higher risk to continue to assault and to a greater degree (aggravated) when they commit domestic assaults. This is proven by data in various studies. There’s a reason it makes You prohibited from having a firearm. It should Be reflected as such by the nfl. But that’s just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 15, 2019 Author Share Posted February 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, pnies20 said: There�s a big difference, IMO. It takes a more pervasive�anger issue to assault someone that you�re close to. That person is at a higher risk to continue to assault and to a greater degree (aggravated) when they commit domestic assaults. This is proven by data in various studies.�There�s a reason it makes You prohibited from having a firearm. It should Be reflected as such by the nfl. But that�s just my opinion.� I'm not going to get into all that, as whether I agree or disagree is immaterial. I just don't think that the NFL treats it differently? I may absolutely be mistaken though, I'm far from an expert in the NFL disciplinary bode and bylaws (though in fairness, I'm reasonably sure the NFL isn't either) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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