Jerry Rice vs Don Hutson?

[bzane]

On 12/21/2018 at 12:11 PM, Norm said:

I was excited you tagged me until I saw it was ccrider returning lol

Gosh, @Norm- look like C.C. Rider may have fallen off his motorcycle again!

[bzane]

On 12/22/2018 at 11:10 PM, Mr Bad Example said:

 

Well, there's also the factor that overrated =/= "bad"; Nitschke was a damn good player with about as much heart as anyone could expect. He was just in a position where he was the 4th or 5th best player in the defensive huddle on most given days....and it probably didn't hurt the cause that if you were doing a casting call for "badass MLB" you'd definitely look at a pic and say "we want THAT guy!" 

 

I suppose he was the defensive equivalent of Hornung, who I'd have rated behind Kramer, Taylor, Gregg, Starr, and for sure Ringo/maybe on Bowman in the offensive huddle.  

You got a point, there- the look can factor into it:

[bzane]

1 hour ago, NFLExpert49 said:

Do people still not realize that Don Hutson's peers were a joke; that he played in a league that didn't allow most of the best receivers in the world to play? 

Now there's a point that even Brutal could not refute!

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Before Jackie Robinson became the player to break the color barrier in baseball, he was a terrific multi-sport athlete at UCLA.

Just how good was he? It wasn’t a given that baseball was his best sport (it may have been his worst), a shocking deal given that he went on to win a batting title, make six All-Star teams and eventually earn a spot in the baseball Hall of Fame. In fact, Robinson became the first athlete to win varsity levels in four different sports: football, basketball, track and baseball.

[Norm]

3 hours ago, NFLExpert49 said:

Do people still not realize that Don Hutson's peers were a joke; that he played in a league that didn't allow most of the best receivers in the world to play? 

Yeah you were the first person to point this out in here. Bravo.

[El Ramster]

On 12/21/2018 at 9:08 PM, ZenoRazon said:

Like everything else we do have exceptions.

Bulllet Bob Hayes was a 10.06 sprinter back in the days of dirt tracks, he would STILL be the fastest man in the NFL today, yep, faster than Hill.

Gale Sayers could play today as could Jim Brown. Slingin' Sammy could punt right now. Lawrence Taylor could play today as could Ollie Matson, O.J.Simpson. Bo Jackson. There are a few others

Don Hutson could play today, yes, not dominate but would make any NFL roster.

They clocked it with what hand? Is that a joke. The accuracy in timing todays sprinters are super precise. Not some farmer holding a stop clock

[Superman(DH23)]

On 12/24/2018 at 3:35 PM, El ramster said:

They clocked it with what hand? Is that a joke. The accuracy in timing todays sprinters are super precise. Not some farmer holding a stop clock

It would be the equivalent of prime Usain Bolt being one of the best WRs in the league.  They invented zone coverage bc of that dude.  Yeah he could have played in any era.

[NFLExpert49]

The funny thing about Hayes is that he wasn't just some deep threat. He had power after the catch and broke tackles. 

[Mr Bad Example]

23 hours ago, NFLExpert49 said:

The funny thing about Hayes is that he wasn't just some deep threat. He had power after the catch and broke tackles. 

Those #s over his first 7 yrs, when you adjust for era, ain't no joke. Even if you want to qualify him as "just" a deep threat, he was probably the best in the role in NFL history. 

[Mr Bad Example]

On 12/24/2018 at 3:35 PM, El ramster said:

They clocked it with what hand? Is that a joke. The accuracy in timing todays sprinters are super precise. Not some farmer holding a stop clock

 

Proof's in the pudding, look at Hayes' numbers on the field, and also look up his Olympic performances - he's one of the fastest humans ever to run in competition. 

[El Ramster]

13 hours ago, Mr Bad Example said:

 

Proof's in the pudding, look at Hayes' numbers on the field, and also look up his Olympic performances - he's one of the fastest humans ever to run in competition. 

And yet his time was officially clocked

like in todays time.. Laser >>>>>> Stop

clock/watch. Rebuttal that. 

[bzane]

2 hours ago, El ramster said:

And yet his time was officially clocked

like in todays time.. Laser >>>>>> Stop

clock/watch. Rebuttal that. 

True- modern technology is far more reliable.

I in fact strongly object to the throwback method of using a sun-dial to time Orlando Brown jr.'s 40-yard-dash attempt. A laser timer might have shaved a couple of tenths of seconds off his results, and- let's face it- the kid could have used all the help he could get!

[Superman(DH23)]

4 hours ago, El ramster said:

And yet his time was officially clocked

like in todays time.. Laser >>>>>> Stop

clock/watch. Rebuttal that. 

Electronic timing systems with lasers are far more reliable, but that also means theres a chance that that he was timed SLOWER, especially when you factor in that we have to be reliant on reaction time.  Again he held the title of worlds fastest man, and unlike many sprinters before him, was also one hell of a football player.  The dude was Randy Moss 30 some odd years before Randy Moss.

[Mr Bad Example]

5 hours ago, El ramster said:

And yet his time was officially clocked

like in todays time.. Laser >>>>>> Stop

clock/watch. Rebuttal that. 

 

My rebuttal to whether or not someone's 40 (or whatever) time was fast or slow is "it doesn't matter." He won Olympic medals in track, and if you want to kvetch about tenths of seconds, let's remember that (insert modern player x) had better shoes, training, and running surfaces when they were getting timed at their pro day/the combine. As Roy Green said about astroturf "yeah, I'm faster on it, but so is everyone else." 

[El Ramster]

29 minutes ago, Mr Bad Example said:

 

My rebuttal to whether or not someone's 40 (or whatever) time was fast or slow is "it doesn't matter." He won Olympic medals in track, and if you want to kvetch about tenths of seconds, let's remember that (insert modern player x) had better shoes, training, and running surfaces when they were getting timed at their pro day/the combine. As Roy Green said about astroturf "yeah, I'm faster on it, but so is everyone else." 

Running with no padding  >> regular shoes that Is documented. It’s heslthier and better for the feet. It’s why you see the 5k runners run barefoot.