incognito_man Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Just now, Packerraymond said: Are we formulating our entire opinion of football players in 2019 by Googling their PFF score? it's better than looking at their statline Until someone presents a better option, it's the best option. How many snaps did you concentrate watching Bailey or Suh this year? I would bet $100 the answer is "zero". So I think the PFF score is a WAY better barometer than forming our entire opinion on googling two of their stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redt Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 yes many on here see PFF as gospel, yikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinneasGage Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, incognito_man said: do they do any sort of comprehensive grading where it's easy to compare guys quickly? Never checked em out before Oh nah I just think their big board is always ahead of the curve before things really get rolling w/ the tastemakers controlling the narrative on guys edit: Oh I thought you were talking about draft stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 minute ago, thrILL! said: Ideally that would be Burks for us tho, right? Let Jaire do what he does at CB. No, that's what other teams think and that's why these two light everyone up. A LB can't cover these two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redt Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 total bs with the crowd noise, let the talent prevail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, thrILL! said: Ideally that would be Burks for us tho, right? Let Jaire do what he does at CB. Kamara would eat Burks alive. Then again, right now, based on what we saw year 1, any NFL RB would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I really get sick of the hate for PFF. Yes, it has its faults. No, it's not reliable for QB/WR/DB/RB/TE. But yes, it absolutely is the best tool we have for ranking the play of offensive and defensive line play, including EDGE rushers. You might watch one game from a player and see something and base your opinion on that. PFF is a full-season aggregate of performances. Not only that, it is the SAME TEST FOR ALL PLAYERS. However PFF grades things, they're grading it the same among all players. Therefore, it is the absolute best tool that people have for ranking and judging and comparing players on the front line of football. Some people in here only use it when it suits them and dismisses it when it doesn't, and that's obnoxious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 minute ago, incognito_man said: it's better than looking at their statline Until someone presents a better option, it's the best option. How many snaps did you concentrate watching Bailey or Suh this year? I would bet $100 the answer is "zero". So I think the PFF score is a WAY better barometer than forming our entire opinion on googling two of their stats. I love watching Mahomes, so way more than 0, and I was high on Bailey in the 2011 Draft so I've always followed along. The Chiefs are my AFC team, love Houston and Berry too. Keep the assumptions flowing. Bailey has always been a consistent guy, typical good at everything great at nothing type. I think he'd be a solid 3rd guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Outpost31 said: I really get sick of the hate for PFF. Yes, it has its faults. No, it's not reliable for QB/WR/DB/RB/TE. But yes, it absolutely is the best tool we have for ranking the play of offensive and defensive line play, including EDGE rushers. You might watch one game from a player and see something and base your opinion on that. PFF is a full-season aggregate of performances. Not only that, it is the SAME TEST FOR ALL PLAYERS. However PFF grades things, they're grading it the same among all players. Therefore, it is the absolute best tool that people have for ranking and judging and comparing players on the front line of football. Some people in here only use it when it suits them and dismisses it when it doesn't, and that's obnoxious. yep, it's a great point to start a conversation IMO. Helps you place guys in tiers at least. Then if someone is interested they can dig into it further. I bet 98/100 Packer fans would take Mike Daniels over Grady Jarrett right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redt Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I never use PFF and base my opinions on watching football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Outpost31 said: I really get sick of the hate for PFF. Yes, it has its faults. No, it's not reliable for QB/WR/DB/RB/TE. But yes, it absolutely is the best tool we have for ranking the play of offensive and defensive line play, including EDGE rushers. You might watch one game from a player and see something and base your opinion on that. PFF is a full-season aggregate of performances. Not only that, it is the SAME TEST FOR ALL PLAYERS. However PFF grades things, they're grading it the same among all players. Therefore, it is the absolute best tool that people have for ranking and judging and comparing players on the front line of football. Some people in here only use it when it suits them and dismisses it when it doesn't, and that's obnoxious. Calling someone's season terrible based solely on their PFF score is the reason most people hate PFF, it has made fans lazy. They do some good things, but they are nothing more than an opinion based site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Just now, Packerraymond said: I love watching Mahomes, so way more than 0, and I was high on Bailey in the 2011 Draft so I've always followed along. The Chiefs are my AFC team, love Houston and Berry too. Keep the assumptions flowing. Bailey has always been a consistent guy, typical good at everything great at nothing type. I think he'd be a solid 3rd guy. I'd actually take Chris Jones over Bailey. I like Bailey though and wouldn't mind snatching him in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Nice answer by Rams here....then Goff Goff's it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: I love watching Mahomes, so way more than 0, and I was high on Bailey in the 2011 Draft so I've always followed along. The Chiefs are my AFC team, love Houston and Berry too. Keep the assumptions flowing. Bailey has always been a consistent guy, typical good at everything great at nothing type. I think he'd be a solid 3rd guy. you honestly focused on Bailey from snap to finish for more than zero plays this year? I don't believe you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Just now, Joe said: I'd actually take Chris Jones over Bailey. I like Bailey though and wouldn't mind snatching him in FA. No .... Jones is a top 3 DL in the NFL. He's going to make 15-20m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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